From stpeter at stpeter.im  Tue Sep  9 11:25:34 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:25:34 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH technology page
Message-ID: <48C6A37E.30903@stpeter.im>

I've started working on "tech overview" pages, similar to the pages 
maintained by the W3C for things like CSS and SVG. The first page is 
about BOSH:

http://www.xmpp.org/tech/bosh.shtml

That's just a first draft, so comments and corrections are welcome!

/psa
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From christopher.zorn at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 12:49:11 2008
From: christopher.zorn at gmail.com (Christopher Zorn)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:49:11 -0400
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH technology page
In-Reply-To: <48C6A37E.30903@stpeter.im>
References: <48C6A37E.30903@stpeter.im>
Message-ID: <149014b90809091049x5c05bb62q94e8cc6fd85b962d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>wrote:

> I've started working on "tech overview" pages, similar to the pages
> maintained by the W3C for things like CSS and SVG. The first page is about
> BOSH:
>
> http://www.xmpp.org/tech/bosh.shtml
>
> That's just a first draft, so comments and corrections are welcome!
>
> /psa
>

You forgot to add strophe js to your api list.

http://code.stanziq.com/strophe/
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From stpeter at stpeter.im  Tue Sep  9 13:05:21 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:05:21 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH technology page
In-Reply-To: <149014b90809091049x5c05bb62q94e8cc6fd85b962d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48C6A37E.30903@stpeter.im>
	<149014b90809091049x5c05bb62q94e8cc6fd85b962d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C6BAE1.9000605@stpeter.im>

Christopher Zorn wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im 
> <mailto:stpeter at stpeter.im>> wrote:
> 
>     I've started working on "tech overview" pages, similar to the pages
>     maintained by the W3C for things like CSS and SVG. The first page is
>     about BOSH:
> 
>     http://www.xmpp.org/tech/bosh.shtml
> 
>     That's just a first draft, so comments and corrections are welcome!
> 
>     /psa
> 
> 
> You forgot to add strophe js to your api list.
> 
> http://code.stanziq.com/strophe/

That's 'cause the only URL I had was Jack's blog.

Fixed.

/psa

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From safasofuoglu at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 20:24:14 2008
From: safasofuoglu at gmail.com (Safa)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:24:14 +0300
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH technology page
In-Reply-To: <48C6BAE1.9000605@stpeter.im>
References: <48C6A37E.30903@stpeter.im>
	<149014b90809091049x5c05bb62q94e8cc6fd85b962d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48C6BAE1.9000605@stpeter.im>
Message-ID: <8f384a460809091824w78ddaf0ara6654ed98451a232@mail.gmail.com>

Looks great. Please add SparkWeb to the clients list and XIFF to the
libraries list. I added them to the wiki page.

http://wiki.jabber.org/web/Bidirectional-streams_Over_Synchronous_HTTP_(BOSH)_(XEP-0124)

2008/9/9 Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>:
> Christopher Zorn wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im
>> <mailto:stpeter at stpeter.im>> wrote:
>>
>>    I've started working on "tech overview" pages, similar to the pages
>>    maintained by the W3C for things like CSS and SVG. The first page is
>>    about BOSH:
>>
>>    http://www.xmpp.org/tech/bosh.shtml
>>
>>    That's just a first draft, so comments and corrections are welcome!
>>
>>    /psa
>>
>>
>> You forgot to add strophe js to your api list.
>>
>> http://code.stanziq.com/strophe/
>
> That's 'cause the only URL I had was Jack's blog.
>
> Fixed.
>
> /psa
>
>



-- 
Safa

From mterenzio at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 13:30:35 2008
From: mterenzio at gmail.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:30:35 -0400
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
Message-ID: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone done any work using XMPP as a realtime, non-polling backend for
RIAs?

Seems to be an area with some potential.
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From jack at chesspark.com  Wed Sep 10 13:37:47 2008
From: jack at chesspark.com (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:37:47 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
In-Reply-To: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com>

> Has anyone done any work using XMPP as a realtime, non-polling backend for
> RIAs?
>
> Seems to be an area with some potential.

Unless I misunderstand your question, this is exactly what BOSH is.
You can find server and client implementations at
http://www.xmpp.org/tech/bosh.shtml

jack.

From mterenzio at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 13:42:20 2008
From: mterenzio at gmail.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:42:20 -0400
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
In-Reply-To: <9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <852b23f40809101142p38f5f195pa4f81dd8c270529f@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> Unless I misunderstand your question, this is exactly what BOSH is.
> You can find server and client implementations at
> http://www.xmpp.org/tech/bosh.shtml
>
> jack.
>

Yes, that's true. I haven't seen an example that wasn't IM related though.
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From jack at chesspark.com  Wed Sep 10 13:50:06 2008
From: jack at chesspark.com (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:50:06 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
In-Reply-To: <852b23f40809101142p38f5f195pa4f81dd8c270529f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com>
	<852b23f40809101142p38f5f195pa4f81dd8c270529f@mail.gmail.com>
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> Yes, that's true. I haven't seen an example that wasn't IM related though.

I wrote about Yammer (http://www.yammer.com) yesterday (see
http://metajack.im/2008/09/09/yammer-launches-strophe-powered-microblogging-for-businesses/index.html),
and there is my company Chesspark as well (http://www.chesspark.com).

I'm sure there are more.

jack.

From mterenzio at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 14:03:32 2008
From: mterenzio at gmail.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:03:32 -0400
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
In-Reply-To: <9b58f4550809101150w294036cfl6d5633fdc7104b1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com>
	<852b23f40809101142p38f5f195pa4f81dd8c270529f@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101150w294036cfl6d5633fdc7104b1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <852b23f40809101203r98b34fdyba155fd6b92cc069@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> I wrote about Yammer (http://www.yammer.com) yesterday (see
>
> http://metajack.im/2008/09/09/yammer-launches-strophe-powered-microblogging-for-businesses/index.html
> ),
> and there is my company Chesspark as well (http://www.chesspark.com).
>
> I'm sure there are more.
>
> jack.


Well that's also cool. What I mean is a non-Chat, IM, or Microblogging
related RIA using XMPP as a transport for data. Like a stock chart . .
.(really creative example)
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From jack at chesspark.com  Wed Sep 10 14:09:27 2008
From: jack at chesspark.com (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:09:27 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
In-Reply-To: <852b23f40809101203r98b34fdyba155fd6b92cc069@mail.gmail.com>
References: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com>
	<852b23f40809101142p38f5f195pa4f81dd8c270529f@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101150w294036cfl6d5633fdc7104b1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<852b23f40809101203r98b34fdyba155fd6b92cc069@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b58f4550809101209u6666f79fl89d81de58d96049c@mail.gmail.com>

> Well that's also cool. What I mean is a non-Chat, IM, or Microblogging
> related RIA using XMPP as a transport for data. Like a stock chart . .
> .(really creative example)

Gnip does not yet have a nifty RIA interface, but they are using XMPP
as a data pipe for their social network data conversion efforts.
Twitter's firehose is XMPP pubsub i believe, and is just a data pipe.
I don't think the type of data is particularly relevant.  Stock data
is probably not much bigger than a tweet.

So people are headed this direction and there are new things popping
up all the time.  I guess none of the examples I can think of satisfy
all of your requirements, but they are certainly close.

I have talked with several people privately about using BOSH for
various purposes like you describe, even ones where XMPP is not needed
at all.

jack.

From mterenzio at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 14:23:19 2008
From: mterenzio at gmail.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:23:19 -0400
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
In-Reply-To: <9b58f4550809101209u6666f79fl89d81de58d96049c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com>
	<852b23f40809101142p38f5f195pa4f81dd8c270529f@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101150w294036cfl6d5633fdc7104b1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<852b23f40809101203r98b34fdyba155fd6b92cc069@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b58f4550809101209u6666f79fl89d81de58d96049c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <852b23f40809101223l43da52acje04900c346281efe@mail.gmail.com>

> Twitter's firehose is XMPP pubsub i believe, and is just a data pipe.
> I don't think the type of data is particularly relevant.  Stock data
> is probably not much bigger than a tweet.
>
>
Yes, if someone were to consume the Twitter firehose with a BOSH library and
display the extra ATOM payload in realtime on a web page, that would be an
example.

No doubt there will be some cool examples around shortly.
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From Dean at cognation.net  Wed Sep 10 14:37:12 2008
From: Dean at cognation.net (Dean Collins)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:37:12 -0400
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
In-Reply-To: <852b23f40809101223l43da52acje04900c346281efe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com><9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com><852b23f40809101142p38f5f195pa4f81dd8c270529f@mail.gmail.com><9b58f4550809101150w294036cfl6d5633fdc7104b1d@mail.gmail.com><852b23f40809101203r98b34fdyba155fd6b92cc069@mail.gmail.com><9b58f4550809101209u6666f79fl89d81de58d96049c@mail.gmail.com>
	<852b23f40809101223l43da52acje04900c346281efe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3685A8FD247FA94C957C4304AB386A040C0665@cognationsvr1.Cognation.local>

Cool....cause maybe then someone will actually propose a price to the
rfp I published a month ago that I'm still waiting for someone to offer
a build price on.

 

I know people are busy but I didn't realize how hard it would be to find
people with XMPP development experience.

 

I've had a few follow up calls but no one has said this is what it will
cost for me to build what you are after.

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
dean at cognation.net 

+1-212-203-4357 (New York) 
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney)
http://www.Cognation.net <http://www.Cognation.net/profile> 

________________________________

From: bosh-bounces at xmpp.org [mailto:bosh-bounces at xmpp.org] On Behalf Of
Matthew Terenzio
Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2008 3:23 PM
To: Bidirectional Streams Over Synchronous HTTP
Subject: Re: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax

 

 

	 

	
	Twitter's firehose is XMPP pubsub i believe, and is just a data
pipe.
	I don't think the type of data is particularly relevant.  Stock
data
	is probably not much bigger than a tweet.


Yes, if someone were to consume the Twitter firehose with a BOSH library
and display the extra ATOM payload in realtime on a web page, that would
be an example.

No doubt there will be some cool examples around shortly. 

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From artur.hefczyc at tigase.org  Wed Sep 10 15:05:45 2008
From: artur.hefczyc at tigase.org (Artur Hefczyc)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:05:45 +0100
Subject: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
In-Reply-To: <3685A8FD247FA94C957C4304AB386A040C0665@cognationsvr1.Cognation.local>
References: <852b23f40809101130r51f01831m228bbeda4f13fedb@mail.gmail.com><9b58f4550809101137u1eafbb24g20be7b0e822f49be@mail.gmail.com><852b23f40809101142p38f5f195pa4f81dd8c270529f@mail.gmail.com><9b58f4550809101150w294036cfl6d5633fdc7104b1d@mail.gmail.com><852b23f40809101203r98b34fdyba155fd6b92cc069@mail.gmail.com><9b58f4550809101209u6666f79fl89d81de58d96049c@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AEFB6201-A501-4B27-83A0-15A742DF9DB5@tigase.org>

Hi Dean,

I remember your post with RFP.
I have replied to it but the email has been bounced back.
Looks like your email address was incorrect.

If you are still in need for XMPP developers please contact
the Tigase team as this is exactly what we do.
Or send an email with your address to me.

http://www.tigase.org

Artur Hefczyc

On 10 Sep 2008, at 20:37, Dean Collins wrote:

> Cool....cause maybe then someone will actually propose a price to the
> rfp I published a month ago that I'm still waiting for someone to  
> offer
> a build price on.
>
>
>
> I know people are busy but I didn't realize how hard it would be to  
> find
> people with XMPP development experience.
>
>
>
> I've had a few follow up calls but no one has said this is what it  
> will
> cost for me to build what you are after.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dean Collins
> dean at cognation.net
>
> +1-212-203-4357 (New York)
> +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney)
> http://www.Cognation.net <http://www.Cognation.net/profile>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: bosh-bounces at xmpp.org [mailto:bosh-bounces at xmpp.org] On Behalf  
> Of
> Matthew Terenzio
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2008 3:23 PM
> To: Bidirectional Streams Over Synchronous HTTP
> Subject: Re: [BOSH] BOSH vs. Ajax
>
>
>
>
>
> 	
>
> 	
> 	Twitter's firehose is XMPP pubsub i believe, and is just a data
> pipe.
> 	I don't think the type of data is particularly relevant.  Stock
> data
> 	is probably not much bigger than a tweet.
>
>
> Yes, if someone were to consume the Twitter firehose with a BOSH  
> library
> and display the extra ATOM payload in realtime on a web page, that  
> would
> be an example.
>
> No doubt there will be some cool examples around shortly.
>
> <LiveChat RFP.pdf>

Artur
-- 
Artur Hefczyc
http://www.tigase.org/
http://artur.hefczyc.net/


From stpeter at stpeter.im  Fri Sep 19 16:25:01 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:25:01 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] MUC meeting
Message-ID: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im>

In the jdev room just now, Jack Moffit, Matthew Wild, and I were talking 
about how to finish the changes to XEPs 124 and 206. I propose that we 
hold a meeting to hash things out on Wednesday, September 24, at 19:00 
UTC in the jdev at conference.jabber.org room.

Here are some relevant URLs:

http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.7.html

http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0124.xml?%40diffMode=u&%40diffWrap=s&r1=631&r2=2153&u=3&ignore=&k= 


http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0206-1.2.html are of interest
 
http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0206.xml?%40diffMode=u&%40diffWrap=s&r1=911&r2=2154&u=3&ignore=&k=

Please review the specs before the meeting and possible post to the list 
with open issues and proposed solutions.

Thanks!

/psa
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From stpeter at stpeter.im  Mon Sep 22 14:11:08 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:11:08 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] MUC meeting
In-Reply-To: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im>
References: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im>
Message-ID: <48D7EDCC.3080804@stpeter.im>

Resending.

Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> In the jdev room just now, Jack Moffit, Matthew Wild, and I were talking
> about how to finish the changes to XEPs 124 and 206. I propose that we
> hold a meeting to hash things out on Wednesday, September 24, at 19:00
> UTC in the jdev at conference.jabber.org room.
> 
> Here are some relevant URLs:
> 
> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.7.html
> 
> http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0124.xml?%40diffMode=u&%40diffWrap=s&r1=631&r2=2153&u=3&ignore=&k=
> 
> 
> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0206-1.2.html are of interest
> 
> http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0206.xml?%40diffMode=u&%40diffWrap=s&r1=911&r2=2154&u=3&ignore=&k=
> 
> 
> Please review the specs before the meeting and possible post to the list
> with open issues and proposed solutions.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> /psa


From jack at chesspark.com  Tue Sep 23 08:52:54 2008
From: jack at chesspark.com (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:52:54 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] MUC meeting
In-Reply-To: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im>
References: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im>
Message-ID: <9b58f4550809230652g474f1d0fla80e05ee96cac773@mail.gmail.com>

> In the jdev room just now, Jack Moffit, Matthew Wild, and I were talking
> about how to finish the changes to XEPs 124 and 206. I propose that we hold
> a meeting to hash things out on Wednesday, September 24, at 19:00 UTC in the
> jdev at conference.jabber.org room.

Sounds great.  I'll make sure that Tofu knows about this as well.

jack.

From stpeter at stpeter.im  Tue Sep 23 10:04:12 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:04:12 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] MUC meeting
In-Reply-To: <9b58f4550809230652g474f1d0fla80e05ee96cac773@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im>
	<9b58f4550809230652g474f1d0fla80e05ee96cac773@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D9056C.7000609@stpeter.im>

Jack Moffitt wrote:
>> In the jdev room just now, Jack Moffit, Matthew Wild, and I were talking
>> about how to finish the changes to XEPs 124 and 206. I propose that we hold
>> a meeting to hash things out on Wednesday, September 24, at 19:00 UTC in the
>> jdev at conference.jabber.org room.
> 
> Sounds great.  I'll make sure that Tofu knows about this as well.

Sorry for the late notice -- we had some delivery problems on the
jabber.org email server because of some configuration changes.

/psa


From stpeter at stpeter.im  Thu Sep 25 17:17:33 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:17:33 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] MUC meeting
In-Reply-To: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im>
References: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im>
Message-ID: <48DC0DFD.9090300@stpeter.im>

Both Jack Moffitt and I spaced this out. I suggest that we try again on
Wednesday, October 1 -- same time, same location.

Sound OK?

I've added it to the XSF calendar:

http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/XSF.ics

See you there!


Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> In the jdev room just now, Jack Moffit, Matthew Wild, and I were talking
> about how to finish the changes to XEPs 124 and 206. I propose that we
> hold a meeting to hash things out on Wednesday, September 24, at 19:00
> UTC in the jdev at conference.jabber.org room.
> 
> Here are some relevant URLs:
> 
> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.7.html
> 
> http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0124.xml?%40diffMode=u&%40diffWrap=s&r1=631&r2=2153&u=3&ignore=&k=
> 
> 
> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0206-1.2.html are of interest
> 
> http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0206.xml?%40diffMode=u&%40diffWrap=s&r1=911&r2=2154&u=3&ignore=&k=
> 
> 
> Please review the specs before the meeting and possible post to the list
> with open issues and proposed solutions.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> /psa

From christopher.zorn at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 17:20:57 2008
From: christopher.zorn at gmail.com (Christopher Zorn)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:20:57 -0400
Subject: [BOSH] MUC meeting
In-Reply-To: <48DC0DFD.9090300@stpeter.im>
References: <48D418AD.4000200@stpeter.im> <48DC0DFD.9090300@stpeter.im>
Message-ID: <149014b90809251520p185a9c72x3786cedff9e61699@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>wrote:

> Both Jack Moffitt and I spaced this out. I suggest that we try again on
> Wednesday, October 1 -- same time, same location.
>
> Sound OK?


Sounds ok to me. :)


>
>
> I've added it to the XSF calendar:
>
> http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/XSF.ics
>
> See you there!
>
>
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > In the jdev room just now, Jack Moffit, Matthew Wild, and I were talking
> > about how to finish the changes to XEPs 124 and 206. I propose that we
> > hold a meeting to hash things out on Wednesday, September 24, at 19:00
> > UTC in the jdev at conference.jabber.org room.
> >
> > Here are some relevant URLs:
> >
> > http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.7.html
> >
> >
> http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0124.xml?%40diffMode=u&%40diffWrap=s&r1=631&r2=2153&u=3&ignore=&k=
> >
> >
> > http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0206-1.2.html are of interest
> >
> >
> http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0206.xml?%40diffMode=u&%40diffWrap=s&r1=911&r2=2154&u=3&ignore=&k=
> >
> >
> > Please review the specs before the meeting and possible post to the list
> > with open issues and proposed solutions.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > /psa
>
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From stpeter at stpeter.im  Tue Sep 30 22:00:36 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:00:36 -0600
Subject: [BOSH] [Fwd: Re: [Simple] XMPP vs SIMPLE]
Message-ID: <48E2E7D4.9060608@stpeter.im>

More reasons why XMPP is better with BOSH. :)

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:06:54 -0500
From: Winterbottom, James <James.Winterbottom at andrew.com>
To: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat at cisco.com>,	<aragalo at cs.uct.ac.za>
Cc: simple at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Simple] XMPP vs SIMPLE

I might throw in a bit of heresy here too.
XMPP over BOSH works just great through my corporate firewall and
web-proxy and the IS guys are none-the-wiser. If I were to move to SIP,
well.....

*8)...

I know this isn't a composition comment, but it is an access to the
service issue.

Cheers
James


> -----Original Message-----
> From: simple-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:simple-bounces at ietf.org] On
Behalf
> Of Paul Kyzivat
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2008 8:55 AM
> To: aragalo at cs.uct.ac.za
> Cc: simple at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Simple] XMPP vs SIMPLE
> 
> 
> 
> aragalo at cs.uct.ac.za wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a Masters in Computer Science student working on a project that
> > compares XMPP and SIMPLE as presence protocols. Specifically, I am
> looking
> > at Rich Presence, the aggregation of presence information from
various
> > assorted devices belonging to the same individual to provide a
single
> and
> > consistent user presence. I want to determine which is the better
> protocol
> > for Rich Presence.
> >
> > My question is: Is it possible that the UDP version of SIMPLE could
be
> > more bandwidth efficient than XMPP over TCP for the conveyance of
> presence
> > information? Evidently SIMPLE is more verbose than XMPP, however UDP
is
> a
> > much lighter transport layer protocol than TCP.
> 
> Its quite likely that the UDP form of SIMPLE isn't viable for
presence,
> for a couple of reasons:
> - if the presence document is big enough to push the NOTIFY
>    message over the PDU size, then you can't use UDP
> 
> - you probably want the security of TLS for presence.
> 
> So arguing for SIP over XMPP based on use of UDP isn't a great
argument.
> 
> 	Good Luck,
> 	Paul
> 
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Anisa Ragalo,
> > MSc Student,
> > Department of Computer Science,
> > University of Cape Town.
> >
> > Email: aragalo at cs.uct.ac.za
> > Cellphone: +27760335309
> >
> >
> >
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Sep 23 07:25:05 2008
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:25:05 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.14.1239221374.3753.bosh@xmpp.org>

it seems to work only if the entity behind the firewall initiate the
connection first (in this case, the client running within the mobile phone).

Please correct me if I got all this wrong as I am new to XMPP, but I would
greately appreciate if anyone can explain how the xmpp server finds the
mobile client that is on the move. Does our sever needs to implement that
routing logic ourselves? Any articles explaining this would also be great!

Thank you!
Thira

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Hi,<br><br>Can we use XMPP to talk to a client o=
n a mobile device (e.g. PDA/ mobile phone) that is connected to the interne=
t using 3G? From what I understand, phones&#39; end-point IP changes as the=
y move around, and generally they are behind the network operator&#39;s (At=
&amp;T, Vodafone etc) firewall. <br>


<br>Say that user &#39;A&#39; sends a message to our mobile client. From wh=
at I understand, the message will go through the  XMPP server (e.g. Jabber.=
org or our own) to find where our client is, so it can route the message. H=
ow would the XMPP server know where to find our client in the place? The IP=
 our client used when registering with the server could be different now be=
cause it could have moved around.<br>


<br>Does the mobile client need to periodically notify the server about its=
 IP? From what I understand, the BOSH technique described in <a href=3D"htt=
p://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html#intro" target=3D"_blank">http://xmpp.=
org/extensions/xep-0124.html#intro</a> is meant to address this, but it see=
ms to work only if the entity behind the firewall initiate the connection f=
irst (in this case, the client running within the mobile phone).<br>


<br>Please correct me if I got all this wrong as I am new to XMPP, but I wo=
uld greately appreciate if anyone can explain how the xmpp server finds the=
 mobile client that is on the move. Does our sever needs to implement that =
routing logic ourselves? Any articles explaining this would also be great!<=
br>


<br>Thank you!<br>Thira<br>
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:25:05 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.17.1239222179.3753.bosh@xmpp.org>

is meant to address this, but it seems to work only if the entity behind =
the
firewall initiate the connection first (in this case, the client running =
within
the mobile phone).<br>
<br>
Please correct me if I got all this wrong as I am new to XMPP, but I =
would
greately appreciate if anyone can explain how the xmpp server finds the =
mobile
client that is on the move. Does our sever needs to implement that =
routing
logic ourselves? Any articles explaining this would also be great!<br>
<br>
Thank you!<br>
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