From stpeter at stpeter.im Mon Feb 1 17:16:23 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:16:23 -0700 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6760C7.9030508@stpeter.im> On 1/27/10 2:54 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > Dear clients page maintainer (stpeter?), > > http://xmpp.org/software/clients.shtml > > Can we add these missing clients? > > * Mobile Phone / PDA Should we have separate categories for various different mobile devices? > OneTeam for iPhone > http://www.process-one.net/en/solutions/oneteam_iphone/ > > Agile Messenger > http://www.agilemobile.com/ > > Jabbim for Android > http://www.jabbim.com/android/ > > Yaxim > http://slideme.org/application/yaxim > > > * Web Browser > > Slimster > http://slimster.org/ Done. > Also Nimbuzz falls under desktop, as well as mobile and web As far as I understand, Nimbuzz no longer allows you to log into any server other than nimbuzz.com. Therefore I have removed it from the list. > Is there other clients that we don't reference here? I'm sure there are. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From gnauck at ag-software.de Tue Feb 2 11:55:21 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:55:21 +0100 Subject: [Members] OFFICIAL MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <4B686709.3090002@ag-software.de> I've started proxy voting via xmpp:memberbot at jabber.org on the membership applications listed here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_January_2010 I propose that we continue the proxy voting until the close of business on February 16th and hold a meeting on February 17th to formally approve the voting results. The meeting particulars are: Date: 2010-02-17 Time: 20:00 UTC Location: xmpp:foundation at conference.jabber.org To convert UTC times to your local time follow this link: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx?y=2010&mo=02&d=17&h=20&mn=0 Objections? Alex From stpeter at stpeter.im Tue Feb 2 14:54:36 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:54:36 -0700 Subject: [Members] OFFICIAL MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT In-Reply-To: <4B686709.3090002@ag-software.de> References: <4B686709.3090002@ag-software.de> Message-ID: <4B68910C.2000405@stpeter.im> On 2/2/10 10:55 AM, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > I've started proxy voting via xmpp:memberbot at jabber.org on the > membership applications listed here: > http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_January_2010 > > I propose that we continue the proxy voting until the close of > business on February 16th and hold a meeting on February 17th to > formally approve the voting results. > > The meeting particulars are: > Date: 2010-02-17 > Time: 20:00 UTC > Location: xmpp:foundation at conference.jabber.org We now have chatrooms at muc.xmpp.org so we might want to use that service. A while back I created a room xsf at muc.xmpp.org and that seems appropriate. > Objections? +1, thanks! Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From gnauck at ag-software.de Wed Feb 3 01:21:54 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:21:54 +0100 Subject: [Members] OFFICIAL MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT In-Reply-To: <4B68910C.2000405@stpeter.im> References: <4B686709.3090002@ag-software.de> <4B68910C.2000405@stpeter.im> Message-ID: > We now have chatrooms at muc.xmpp.org so we might want to use that > service. A while back I created a room xsf at muc.xmpp.org and that seems > appropriate. great, so lets use xsf at muc.xmpp.org for this meeting. Alex From cbas at pandion.im Wed Feb 3 22:02:57 2010 From: cbas at pandion.im (Sebastiaan Deckers) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 05:02:57 +0100 Subject: [Members] Donating to XSF Message-ID: <589c74df1002032002s915e3a3qe1eefd138b60cf13@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I had a few users asking me if they could contribute to my foss xmpp client project. Instead I told them to give to the Free Software Foundation and the XMPP Standards Foundation. But I cannot find a donate button or link on the xmpp.org website. There is a sponsorship programme but that's not ideal. Am I overlooking something? If so, that's probably a UX issue that should be fixed. Something like this would be nice: https://my.fsf.org/donate Does the XSF not accept or require donations? Sebastiaan Sent from Ghent, Flemish Region, Belgium -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 3 22:14:04 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:14:04 -0700 Subject: [Members] Donating to XSF In-Reply-To: <589c74df1002032002s915e3a3qe1eefd138b60cf13@mail.gmail.com> References: <589c74df1002032002s915e3a3qe1eefd138b60cf13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6A498C.1020401@stpeter.im> On 2/3/10 9:02 PM, Sebastiaan Deckers wrote: > Hi all, > > I had a few users asking me if they could contribute to my foss xmpp > client project. Instead I told them to give to the Free Software > Foundation and the XMPP Standards Foundation. But I cannot find a donate > button or link on the xmpp.org website. There is a > sponsorship programme but that's not ideal. > > Am I overlooking something? If so, that's probably a UX issue that > should be fixed. Something like this would be > nice: https://my.fsf.org/donate > > Does the XSF not accept or require donations? The XSF has a PayPal account but we don't actively solicit donations. There's a link here: http://xmpp.org/xsf/contact.shtml Now, whether we want to solicit donations is another question. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If so, that's probably a UX issue that > > should be fixed. Something like this would be > > nice: https://my.fsf.org/donate > > > > Does the XSF not accept or require donations? > > The XSF has a PayPal account but we don't actively solicit donations. > There's a link here: > > http://xmpp.org/xsf/contact.shtml > > Now, whether we want to solicit donations is another question. :) > > Thanks for the link. Why/why not accept donations? XSF already accepts money from sponsors. There are also donations for things like the Xmpp Summit/Dinner. Sebastiaan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 3 23:12:59 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Members] Donating to XSF In-Reply-To: <589c74df1002032102r29217c7cw57eae370146c7379@mail.gmail.com> References: <589c74df1002032002s915e3a3qe1eefd138b60cf13@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A498C.1020401@stpeter.im> <589c74df1002032102r29217c7cw57eae370146c7379@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6A575B.2090503@stpeter.im> On 2/3/10 10:02 PM, Sebastiaan Deckers wrote: > Why/why not accept donations? > > XSF already accepts money from sponsors. There are also donations for > things like the Xmpp Summit/Dinner. Sure. I suppose I've never seen the XSF as something that normal end-users would have an interest in supporting directly, after all we just publish a bunch of boring specifications. I'd rather see end users support software that uses XMPP, like Pandion. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From cbas at pandion.im Wed Feb 3 23:13:11 2010 From: cbas at pandion.im (Sebastiaan Deckers) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:13:11 +0100 Subject: [Members] Donating to XSF In-Reply-To: <589c74df1002032102r29217c7cw57eae370146c7379@mail.gmail.com> References: <589c74df1002032002s915e3a3qe1eefd138b60cf13@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A498C.1020401@stpeter.im> <589c74df1002032102r29217c7cw57eae370146c7379@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <589c74df1002032113p71e9df43va4954d66674b4472@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Sebastiaan Deckers wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> On 2/3/10 9:02 PM, Sebastiaan Deckers wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I had a few users asking me if they could contribute to my foss xmpp >> > client project. Instead I told them to give to the Free Software >> > Foundation and the XMPP Standards Foundation. But I cannot find a donate >> > button or link on the xmpp.org website. There is a >> > sponsorship programme but that's not ideal. >> > >> > Am I overlooking something? If so, that's probably a UX issue that >> > should be fixed. Something like this would be >> > nice: https://my.fsf.org/donate >> > >> > Does the XSF not accept or require donations? >> >> The XSF has a PayPal account but we don't actively solicit donations. >> There's a link here: >> >> http://xmpp.org/xsf/contact.shtml >> >> Now, whether we want to solicit donations is another question. :) >> >> > Thanks for the link. > > Why/why not accept donations? > > XSF already accepts money from sponsors. There are also donations for > things like the Xmpp Summit/Dinner. > Also, the Paypal link on the Contact page doesn't have an actual donate button. It's just a link to the Paypal account. This wizard can be used to create a few simple donate buttons ($10, $100, $1000). https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donate-intro-outside Sebastiaan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbas at pandion.im Wed Feb 3 23:19:19 2010 From: cbas at pandion.im (Sebastiaan Deckers) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:19:19 +0100 Subject: [Members] Donating to XSF In-Reply-To: <4B6A575B.2090503@stpeter.im> References: <589c74df1002032002s915e3a3qe1eefd138b60cf13@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A498C.1020401@stpeter.im> <589c74df1002032102r29217c7cw57eae370146c7379@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A575B.2090503@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <589c74df1002032119v23b4f6b4sb7786a0d078a169a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Sure. I suppose I've never seen the XSF as something that normal > end-users would have an interest in supporting directly, after all we > just publish a bunch of boring specifications. 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URL: From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 10:50:18 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:50:18 +0100 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <4B6760C7.9030508@stpeter.im> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <4B6760C7.9030508@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002050850w572343f4k103072edbcedab29@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 00:16, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 1/27/10 2:54 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >> Dear clients page maintainer (stpeter?), >> >> http://xmpp.org/software/clients.shtml >> >> Can we add these missing clients? >> >> * Mobile Phone / PDA > > Should we have separate categories for various different mobile devices? There are many platforms/version that live and die, much faster than desktop/laptop platforms (well, they are basically the samone three ones since ages), one set for all stuff mobile seems OK to me. If we add the most present mobile platforms, we could add iPhone, Android, Symbian, WM, Brew, BlackBerry... which is too much. Much more when we consider platform versions. >> OneTeam for iPhone >> http://www.process-one.net/en/solutions/oneteam_iphone/ >> >> Agile Messenger >> http://www.agilemobile.com/ >> >> Jabbim for Android >> http://www.jabbim.com/android/ >> >> Yaxim >> http://slideme.org/application/yaxim >> >> >> * Web Browser >> >> Slimster >> http://slimster.org/ > > Done. > >> Also Nimbuzz falls under desktop, as well as mobile and web > > As far as I understand, Nimbuzz no longer allows you to log into any > server other than nimbuzz.com. Therefore I have removed it from the list. It might not be fair since they are using XMPP and are interop (I think, gotta check) with the federation (S2S activated). It is the same for Meebo, GTalk, Gizmo (and the now-defunct Mabber), plus more than I have forgotten. A different category should be fine, named like 'services'. >> Is there other clients that we don't reference here? > > I'm sure there are. :) > > Peter A flat categorization might not be the solution. A table would suit better imho, with entries like in horizontal platforms (Linux, Mac, Win, Mobile, web, etc.) and vertical a categorization like XMPP-only, multi-protocol, service-specific, etc. -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From justin at affinix.com Fri Feb 5 12:27:19 2010 From: justin at affinix.com (Justin Karneges) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:27:19 -0800 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002050850w572343f4k103072edbcedab29@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <4B6760C7.9030508@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002050850w572343f4k103072edbcedab29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> On Friday 05 February 2010 08:50:18 Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > A flat categorization might not be the solution. A table would suit > better imho, with entries like in horizontal platforms (Linux, Mac, > Win, Mobile, web, etc.) and vertical a categorization like XMPP-only, > multi-protocol, service-specific, etc. I want to add that I dislike there being a "cross platform" section. No user would look anything up that way. From dbanes at cleartext.com Fri Feb 5 17:14:32 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:14:32 +1100 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <4B6760C7.9030508@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002050850w572343f4k103072edbcedab29@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> Message-ID: On 06/02/2010, at 5:27 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: > On Friday 05 February 2010 08:50:18 Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >> A flat categorization might not be the solution. A table would suit >> better imho, with entries like in horizontal platforms (Linux, Mac, >> Win, Mobile, web, etc.) and vertical a categorization like XMPP-only, >> multi-protocol, service-specific, etc. > > I want to add that I dislike there being a "cross platform" section. No user > would look anything up that way. I disagree, we have many clients that ask for 'cross platform' solutions for use in the businesses. This is a very useful feature of the list for us. thanks, David.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From justin at affinix.com Fri Feb 5 17:47:36 2010 From: justin at affinix.com (Justin Karneges) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:47:36 -0800 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> Message-ID: <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> On Friday 05 February 2010 15:14:32 David Banes wrote: > On 06/02/2010, at 5:27 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: > > On Friday 05 February 2010 08:50:18 Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > >> A flat categorization might not be the solution. A table would suit > >> better imho, with entries like in horizontal platforms (Linux, Mac, > >> Win, Mobile, web, etc.) and vertical a categorization like XMPP-only, > >> multi-protocol, service-specific, etc. > > > > I want to add that I dislike there being a "cross platform" section. No > > user would look anything up that way. > > I disagree, we have many clients that ask for 'cross platform' solutions > for use in the businesses. > > This is a very useful feature of the list for us. I think it goes both ways. ;) As a Linux user, I'd most likely go straight to the Linux/Unix section, under the impression that clients listed there would support my platform better than those listed under cross-platform. Mac users might assume there are only two client options, especially since the "Apple MacOS" section appears before "Cross-Platform". If it gets turned into a grid, as one person suggested, that may help cross-platform clients from being overlooked by regular users, while at the same time helping businesses spot the cross-platform ones. -Justin From dbanes at cleartext.com Fri Feb 5 18:56:41 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:56:41 +1100 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> Message-ID: On 06/02/2010, at 10:47 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: > On Friday 05 February 2010 15:14:32 David Banes wrote: >> On 06/02/2010, at 5:27 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: >>> On Friday 05 February 2010 08:50:18 Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >>>> A flat categorization might not be the solution. A table would suit >>>> better imho, with entries like in horizontal platforms (Linux, Mac, >>>> Win, Mobile, web, etc.) and vertical a categorization like XMPP-only, >>>> multi-protocol, service-specific, etc. >>> >>> I want to add that I dislike there being a "cross platform" section. No >>> user would look anything up that way. >> >> I disagree, we have many clients that ask for 'cross platform' solutions >> for use in the businesses. >> >> This is a very useful feature of the list for us. > > I think it goes both ways. ;) > > As a Linux user, I'd most likely go straight to the Linux/Unix section, under > the impression that clients listed there would support my platform better > than those listed under cross-platform. Mac users might assume there are > only two client options, especially since the "Apple MacOS" section appears > before "Cross-Platform". > > If it gets turned into a grid, as one person suggested, that may help > cross-platform clients from being overlooked by regular users, while at the > same time helping businesses spot the cross-platform ones. > > -Justin That's a very good idea and would enable us to add further criteria to the listings. David. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From waqas20 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 18:59:36 2010 From: waqas20 at gmail.com (Waqas Hussain) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 05:59:36 +0500 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> Message-ID: <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: > On Friday 05 February 2010 15:14:32 David Banes wrote: > > On 06/02/2010, at 5:27 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: > > > On Friday 05 February 2010 08:50:18 Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > > >> A flat categorization might not be the solution. A table would suit > > >> better imho, with entries like in horizontal platforms (Linux, Mac, > > >> Win, Mobile, web, etc.) and vertical a categorization like XMPP-only, > > >> multi-protocol, service-specific, etc. > > > > > > I want to add that I dislike there being a "cross platform" section. > No > > > user would look anything up that way. > > > > I disagree, we have many clients that ask for 'cross platform' solutions > > for use in the businesses. > > > > This is a very useful feature of the list for us. > > I think it goes both ways. ;) > > As a Linux user, I'd most likely go straight to the Linux/Unix section, > under > the impression that clients listed there would support my platform better > than those listed under cross-platform. Mac users might assume there are > only two client options, especially since the "Apple MacOS" section appears > before "Cross-Platform". > > If it gets turned into a grid, as one person suggested, that may help > cross-platform clients from being overlooked by regular users, while at the > same time helping businesses spot the cross-platform ones. > > -Justin > In this case, would a grid make sense? It would be too sparse, seeing as how most clients only support a single platform, and many platforms have very few clients (iphone, android, etc). Does anyone else have any nice ideas about displaying this type of data? Here's a simple possibility: A simple list of client names. Next to each name, icons for each platform the client runs on. A legend as a sidebar mapping names of platforms to icons. 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URL: From dbanes at cleartext.com Fri Feb 5 19:07:32 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:07:32 +1100 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 06/02/2010, at 11:59 AM, Waqas Hussain wrote: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: > On Friday 05 February 2010 15:14:32 David Banes wrote: > > On 06/02/2010, at 5:27 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: > > > On Friday 05 February 2010 08:50:18 Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > > >> A flat categorization might not be the solution. A table would suit > > >> better imho, with entries like in horizontal platforms (Linux, Mac, > > >> Win, Mobile, web, etc.) and vertical a categorization like XMPP-only, > > >> multi-protocol, service-specific, etc. > > > > > > I want to add that I dislike there being a "cross platform" section. No > > > user would look anything up that way. > > > > I disagree, we have many clients that ask for 'cross platform' solutions > > for use in the businesses. > > > > This is a very useful feature of the list for us. > > I think it goes both ways. ;) > > As a Linux user, I'd most likely go straight to the Linux/Unix section, under > the impression that clients listed there would support my platform better > than those listed under cross-platform. Mac users might assume there are > only two client options, especially since the "Apple MacOS" section appears > before "Cross-Platform". > > If it gets turned into a grid, as one person suggested, that may help > cross-platform clients from being overlooked by regular users, while at the > same time helping businesses spot the cross-platform ones. > > -Justin > > In this case, would a grid make sense? It would be too sparse, seeing as how most clients only support a single platform, and many platforms have very few clients (iphone, android, etc). > > Does anyone else have any nice ideas about displaying this type of data? Here's a simple possibility: > > A simple list of client names. Next to each name, icons for each platform the client runs on. A legend as a sidebar mapping names of platforms to icons. 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URL: From gnauck at ag-software.de Wed Feb 10 03:00:45 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:00:45 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update Message-ID: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> According to my records the following 8 XSF members had voted via proxy in the current voting period. safasofuoglu (at) gmail.com migri (at) xmppnet.de js (at )webkeks.org alexey.melnikov (at) isode.com nyco (at)jabber.fr gnauck (at) jabber.org kevin (at )doomsong.co.uk aconbere (at )gmail.com We have no quorum yet. If you have not yet voted, please send a message to xmpp:memberbot at jabber.org. The meeting particulars are: Date: 2010-02-17 Time: 20:00 UTC Location: xsf at muc.xmpp.org To convert UTC times to your local time follow this link: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx?y=2010&mo=02&d=17&h=20&mn=0 Regards, Alex From peter at retep.org.uk Wed Feb 10 03:54:02 2010 From: peter at retep.org.uk (Peter Mount) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:54:02 +0000 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> Message-ID: <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > > We have no quorum yet. If you have not yet voted, please send a message > to xmpp:memberbot at jabber.org . I've still not got access to memberbot so I've not been able to vote yet. 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If you have not yet voted, please send a message >> to xmpp:memberbot at jabber.org. > > I've still not got access to memberbot so I've not been able to vote yet. > Peter Me too, I remember that I got unsubscribed when the rosters went corrupted -- Fabio Forno, Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 04:34:18 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:34:18 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <2fd53c3a1002100230k122ad218pf3c881bb792e168a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <2fd53c3a1002100230k122ad218pf3c881bb792e168a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002100234q416db6c2ibcc89378b662c7f6@mail.gmail.com> Shouldn't that memberbot be on xmpp.org? On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:30, Fabio Forno wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Peter Mount wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Alexander Gnauck >> wrote: >>> >>> We have no quorum yet. If you have not yet voted, please send a message >>> to xmpp:memberbot at jabber.org. >> >> I've still not got access to memberbot so I've not been able to vote yet. >> Peter > > Me too, I remember that I got unsubscribed when the rosters went corrupted > > > -- > Fabio Forno, > Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com > jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com > -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From kevin at kismith.co.uk Wed Feb 10 04:37:46 2010 From: kevin at kismith.co.uk (Kevin Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:37:46 +0000 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002100234q416db6c2ibcc89378b662c7f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <2fd53c3a1002100230k122ad218pf3c881bb792e168a@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002100234q416db6c2ibcc89378b662c7f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > Shouldn't that memberbot be on xmpp.org? That would make a lot of sense. /K From fabio at bluendo.com Wed Feb 10 04:45:06 2010 From: fabio at bluendo.com (Fabio Forno) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:45:06 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <2fd53c3a1002100230k122ad218pf3c881bb792e168a@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002100234q416db6c2ibcc89378b662c7f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2fd53c3a1002100245s2a81592mfe7b278f4d172047@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas V?rit? > wrote: >> Shouldn't that memberbot be on xmpp.org? > > That would make a lot of sense. yep -- Fabio Forno, Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com From gnauck at ag-software.de Wed Feb 10 04:58:11 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:58:11 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <2fd53c3a1002100230k122ad218pf3c881bb792e168a@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002100234q416db6c2ibcc89378b662c7f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B729143.6050302@ag-software.de> Am 10.02.2010 11:37, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas V?rit? > wrote: >> Shouldn't that memberbot be on xmpp.org? > > That would make a lot of sense. for me no problem. I only have to create a new account and all members again. Or we have some scripts which build the roster from the memberlist in a Xml format. Alex From gnauck at ag-software.de Wed Feb 10 04:58:46 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:58:46 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <2fd53c3a1002100230k122ad218pf3c881bb792e168a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <2fd53c3a1002100230k122ad218pf3c881bb792e168a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B729166.7020204@ag-software.de> Am 10.02.2010 11:30, Fabio Forno wrote: > Me too, I remember that I got unsubscribed when the rosters went corrupted fixed, if not contact me by IM. Alex From gnauck at ag-software.de Wed Feb 10 04:59:05 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:59:05 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> Am 10.02.2010 10:54, Peter Mount wrote: > I've still not got access to memberbot so I've not been able to vote yet. fixed, if not contact me by IM. Alex From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 09:34:21 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:34:21 +0100 Subject: [Members] FOSDEM talks Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002100734n286b4b87qff96c4824906dcf3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all members, It would be nice if we posted on the XSF blog all the slides from the talks you gave and have assisted to on Saturday at the FOSDEM. So please send them to me, I'll post them. You can put them on the XMPP group at SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/group/xmpp-jabber-jingle Please feel free also to update this page: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Presentations -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From bear42 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 11:25:20 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:25:20 -0500 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 05:59, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > Am 10.02.2010 10:54, Peter Mount wrote: >> I've still not got access to memberbot so I've not been able to vote yet. > > fixed, if not contact me by IM. > > Alex > am I doing something wrong? ( probably :) ) I've added memberbot at jabber.org to my JID roster but nothing shows up. -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 10 11:26:42 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> Message-ID: <4B72EC52.4090107@stpeter.im> On 2/10/10 10:25 AM, bear wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 05:59, Alexander Gnauck wrote: >> Am 10.02.2010 10:54, Peter Mount wrote: >>> I've still not got access to memberbot so I've not been able to vote yet. >> >> fixed, if not contact me by IM. >> >> Alex >> > > am I doing something wrong? ( probably :) ) > > I've added memberbot at jabber.org to my JID roster but nothing shows up. Perhaps we should be moving this account to memberbot at xmpp.org... :) /psa -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex From gnauck at ag-software.de Wed Feb 10 11:33:44 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:33:44 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <4B72EC52.4090107@stpeter.im> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> <4B72EC52.4090107@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <4B72EDF8.70706@ag-software.de> Am 10.02.2010 18:26, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Perhaps we should be moving this account to memberbot at xmpp.org... :) +1, lets do that with the next vote for Q2/2010 applicants. Alex From bear42 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 11:34:20 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:34:20 -0500 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <4B72EDBB.9020808@ag-software.de> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> <4B72EDBB.9020808@ag-software.de> Message-ID: ah - thanks! /me now to go catch up on what votes i'm missing On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:32, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > Am 10.02.2010 18:25, bear wrote: >> am I doing something wrong? ?( probably :) ) >> >> I've added memberbot at jabber.org to my JID roster but nothing shows up. > > fixed, I have to accept your subscription request manual, this is why it > did not work for you. > > Alex > -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 11:38:39 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:38:39 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <4B72ED26.80304@stpeter.im> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> <4B72EC52.4090107@stpeter.im> <5cfc0a8e1002100928v3f9affbcl2b6a2180c3c03b9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B72ED26.80304@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002100938w706c8819xf4c6551d815c2836@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 18:30, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 2/10/10 10:28 AM, Tobias Markmann wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 18:26, Peter Saint-Andre > > wrote: >> >> ? ? Perhaps we should be moving this account to memberbot at xmpp.org... :) >> >> >> If there only were a protocol which would describe what to do in this >> case. ;) > > Heh. I'll write up the Summit minutes soon... What about drafting here? (I've started, but had no time to... hum... finish) http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_Summit_8_and_FOSDEM_2010 -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 11:39:06 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:39:06 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <4B72ED26.80304@stpeter.im> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> <4B72EC52.4090107@stpeter.im> <5cfc0a8e1002100928v3f9affbcl2b6a2180c3c03b9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B72ED26.80304@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002100939q528a0d8fq81e4520d88e3176b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 18:30, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 2/10/10 10:28 AM, Tobias Markmann wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 18:26, Peter Saint-Andre > > wrote: >> >> ? ? Perhaps we should be moving this account to memberbot at xmpp.org... :) >> >> >> If there only were a protocol which would describe what to do in this >> case. ;) > > Heh. I'll write up the Summit minutes soon... What about drafting here? (I've started, but had no time to... hum... finish) http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_Summit_8_and_FOSDEM_2010 -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 10 12:02:48 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:02:48 -0700 Subject: [Members] voting update In-Reply-To: <4B72EDF8.70706@ag-software.de> References: <4B7275BD.2070004@ag-software.de> <85bf933e1002100154i4f7f85e0nee45f561bf3f60a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B729179.6070100@ag-software.de> <4B72EC52.4090107@stpeter.im> <4B72EDF8.70706@ag-software.de> Message-ID: <4B72F4C8.8070604@stpeter.im> On 2/10/10 10:33 AM, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > Am 10.02.2010 18:26, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> Perhaps we should be moving this account to memberbot at xmpp.org... :) > > +1, lets do that with the next vote for Q2/2010 applicants. WFM! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've added the memberbot ?to my roster > (zooldk at gmail.com) but nothing happend. Can you add me?. done Alex From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 10 15:16:02 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:16:02 -0700 Subject: [Members] Welcome, Facebook! Message-ID: <4B732212.4000205@stpeter.im> http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2010/02/welcome-facebook/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From zooldk at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 15:18:22 2010 From: zooldk at gmail.com (Steffen Larsen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:18:22 +0100 Subject: [Members] Welcome, Facebook! In-Reply-To: <4B732212.4000205@stpeter.im> References: <4B732212.4000205@stpeter.im> Message-ID: It's always great with "bit" more users... :-) Its really great for all us out there doing different XMPP projects! -Cheers! /Steffen On Feb 10, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2010/02/welcome-facebook/ > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1923 bytes Desc: not available URL: From remko at el-tramo.be Fri Feb 12 04:52:05 2010 From: remko at el-tramo.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Remko_Tron=C3=A7on?=) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:52:05 +0100 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> > A simple list of client names. Next to each name, icons for each platform > the client runs on. That's the way around. Users don't browse through client lists and then check what platform it runs on. Instead, they have a platform and need to see what clients run on it. I'm with Justin on not putting clients in a cross-platform section, not only because users don't look up clients that way, but also because it's not clear what that means (is supporting 3 platforms enough? how about 2?) If a client is cross-platform, list it in every platform it is supported on, and optionally add something like "(see also: Windows, Linux)" cheers, Remko From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 05:16:05 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:16:05 +0100 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/12 Remko Tron?on : >> A simple list of client names. Next to each name, icons for each platform >> the client runs on. > > That's the way around. Users don't browse through client lists and > then check what platform it runs on. Instead, they have a platform and > need to see what clients run on it. > > I'm with Justin on not putting clients in a cross-platform section, > not only because users don't look up clients that way, but also > because it's not clear what that means (is supporting 3 platforms > enough? how about 2?) > > If a client is cross-platform, list it in every platform it is > supported on, and optionally add something like "(see also: Windows, > Linux)" Different aproaches here: http://wiki.jabberfr.org/Clients http://www.jabberes.org/clientes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XMPP_client_software The "Principal clients" section on jabberes makes sense, for a fast choice, but it would advantage the most popular ones. The "Pure XMPP" and "Multiprotocol" clients approaches of jabberfr and Wikipedia is fine from a user perspetive, since the platform may not be the first criterion of choice. Then comes the platforms: * On jabberes, they appear as text at the end, it might be more readable with small logo, as well as more complicated haveing images inline with text * On Wikipedia, the dynamic table lets you sort by platform, although some are noted "Cross-platform" * On jabberfr, you have columns as platforms, with the traditionnal Win/Lin/Mac, but also mobile and web Comparing most of these classifications, I would recommend: * The "most popular section" at the beginning, like on jabberes * Categorization with XMPP/multi/servce/old seems really intuitive, like on jabberfr * Then the platform columns, like on jabberfr We might also add categorization in the mobile space, as stpeter asked, but the entropy is (still) too high here. Philosophically, we should add a categorization when this makes sense: the list of categories must not be too long, every category should have at least three items, etc. Did I just win my 2 cents? -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 05:46:29 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:46:29 +0100 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002120346u31e7cedfre98a66bf1a5c3b9d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:16, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > Did I just win my 2 cents? Well... just added the 'most popular' section on jabberfr: http://wiki.jabberfr.org/Clients Sorry for the color, I'm still not a designer, warning for your eyes, it burns. -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From gnauck at ag-software.de Fri Feb 12 06:17:41 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:17:41 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting update 2 Message-ID: <4B7546E5.203@ag-software.de> According to my records the following 23 XSF members had voted via proxy in the current voting period. remko at el-tramo.be admin at im.flosoft.biz omega at im.apinc.org ff at jabber.bluendo.com zool at jabber.org peter at retep.org astro at spaceboyz.net justin at andbit.net tuomas at xmpp.lobstermonster.org.xml bear at code-bear.com tofu at thetofu.com axelsena at jabber.uww.edu me at matthewwild.co.uk siegle at jabber.org dwd at dave.cridland.net safasofuoglu at gmail.com migri at xmppnet.de js at webkeks.org alexey.melnikov at isode.com nyco at jabber.fr gnauck at jabber.org kevin at doomsong.co.uk aconbere at gmail.com We have no quorum yet. If you have not yet voted, please send a message to xmpp:memberbot at jabber.org. Many subscriptions of memberbot are broke. When you have a problem then please contact me over xmpp at gnauck at jabber.org or gnauck at ag-software.de. The meeting particulars are: Date: 2010-02-17 Time: 20:00 UTC Location: xsf at muc.xmpp.org Regards, Alex From stpeter at stpeter.im Fri Feb 12 13:51:00 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B75B124.3090906@stpeter.im> On 2/12/10 3:52 AM, Remko Tron?on wrote: >> A simple list of client names. Next to each name, icons for each platform >> the client runs on. > > That's the way around. Users don't browse through client lists and > then check what platform it runs on. Instead, they have a platform and > need to see what clients run on it. > > I'm with Justin on not putting clients in a cross-platform section, > not only because users don't look up clients that way, but also > because it's not clear what that means (is supporting 3 platforms > enough? how about 2?) > > If a client is cross-platform, list it in every platform it is > supported on, and optionally add something like "(see also: Windows, > Linux)" WFM. Who wants to take over ownership of the software pages? :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From zooldk at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 11:44:05 2010 From: zooldk at gmail.com (Steffen Larsen) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:44:05 +0100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? Message-ID: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> Hi all you beautiful XMPP members! :-) I've been talking with Alexander Gnauk lately about our wiki (wiki.xmpp.org), because I needed to update the site about our member bot and what kind of features we want in the future for the bot. After updating the wiki and talking a bit with Alexander, we came to the conclusion that a new wiki could be really nice, because of a lot of bad behaviors of the old one (difficult to add new users, password changes and administration in general). So I was thinking the other day of the alternatives for a new wiki. After using both JIRA, fisheye and confluence at work I was wondering why we do not use this scenario as well for our XSF? We already use fisheye as a SCM GUI, so for me it looks straight-forward to use confluence as well for our new wiki. As I see it we to consolidate our communication a bit and structure it and I believe that we can obtain that by moving our media wiki to Atlassian's confluence (a more structured wiki). With confluence we get an easy administration for users and pages and it integrates very well with other kinds of software, e.g. Fisheye, JIRA and all other open social gadget based platforms. I do not know if we have any issue tracking back-end yet, otherwise we could use JIRA as well to keep track of who is doing what (assign tasks to people instead of just emails flowing around) and even our XML/XSD protocol documents (XEPs). In that way our internal pages could be coupled together with the documents we are working on. We can even define our own work flow if we want. I have used a couple of days to setup Confluence locally as our wiki and it seems very nice and simple for us to use if we want to have it instead of media wiki. So what do you guys think of the idea? I also have some questions for you guys that have a longer relationship with the current wiki.. what is the current wiki used for?.. As I see it we use it as an intranet for swapping XMPP ideas, consolidating dates, meetings, future roadmaps etc? Am I correct? on the current wiki there is also some links for XMPP servers and clients, but why is this needed if they are already presented on the normal page of www.xmpp.org? I would also like to see the new wiki as a starting place for new members (like my self) to get an introduction about the structure of XMPP, the different teams etc. So all the stuff on the www.xmpp.org is the public stuff about the XMPP protocol and the wiki.xmpp.org is for the collaborating members. To get back to the facts about confluence: * We an get it for free, because we are an non-profix organization, which is nice. :-) * To install it on our servers we need an application server or servlet container (like tomcat or jboss etc) and a mysql for database storage. * If we have a LDAP of all the XMPP members we can use this ni confluence for users, passwords and access rights. So we would also be able to split the different teams with different access and rights. * We can import our current media wiki if we want to.. there is a plugin for this.. Some links: http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ By the way I am in no way associated with Atlassian, just a daily user of their software. ha ha! What do you guys think?.. Shall I continue my work and present a workable demo of it in the coming weeks (I'll send a link later on)?.. I would also gladly help by installing the software on the servers if the members think its a good idea. --Cheers and have a nice Valentines day! -- Steffen Larsen http://www.zool.dk xmpp:zooldk at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1923 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dbanes at cleartext.com Sun Feb 14 18:34:36 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:36 +1100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 15/02/2010, at 4:44 AM, Steffen Larsen wrote: > Hi all you beautiful XMPP members! :-) > > I've been talking with Alexander Gnauk lately about our wiki (wiki.xmpp.org), because I needed to update the site about our member bot and what kind of features we want in the future for the bot. > After updating the wiki and talking a bit with Alexander, we came to the conclusion that a new wiki could be really nice, because of a lot of bad behaviors of the old one (difficult to add new users, password changes and administration in general). > So I was thinking the other day of the alternatives for a new wiki. > > After using both JIRA, fisheye and confluence at work I was wondering why we do not use this scenario as well for our XSF? We already use fisheye as a SCM GUI, so for me it looks straight-forward to use confluence as well for our new wiki. > As I see it we to consolidate our communication a bit and structure it and I believe that we can obtain that by moving our media wiki to Atlassian's confluence (a more structured wiki). > > With confluence we get an easy administration for users and pages and it integrates very well with other kinds of software, e.g. Fisheye, JIRA and all other open social gadget based platforms. I do not know if we have any issue tracking back-end yet, otherwise we could use JIRA as well to keep track of who is doing what (assign tasks to people instead of just emails flowing around) and even our XML/XSD protocol documents (XEPs). In that way our internal pages could be coupled together with the documents we are working on. We can even define our own work flow if we want. > > I have used a couple of days to setup Confluence locally as our wiki and it seems very nice and simple for us to use if we want to have it instead of media wiki. So what do you guys think of the idea? > > I also have some questions for you guys that have a longer relationship with the current wiki.. what is the current wiki used for?.. As I see it we use it as an intranet for swapping XMPP ideas, consolidating dates, meetings, future roadmaps etc? Am I correct? on the current wiki there is also some links for XMPP servers and clients, but why is this needed if they are already presented on the normal page of www.xmpp.org? I would also like to see the new wiki as a starting place for new members (like my self) to get an introduction about the structure of XMPP, the different teams etc. So all the stuff on the www.xmpp.org is the public stuff about the XMPP protocol and the wiki.xmpp.org is for the collaborating members. > > To get back to the facts about confluence: > > * We an get it for free, because we are an non-profix organization, which is nice. :-) > * To install it on our servers we need an application server or servlet container (like tomcat or jboss etc) and a mysql for database storage. > * If we have a LDAP of all the XMPP members we can use this ni confluence for users, passwords and access rights. So we would also be able to split the different teams with different access and rights. > * We can import our current media wiki if we want to.. there is a plugin for this.. > > Some links: > > http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ > http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ > > By the way I am in no way associated with Atlassian, just a daily user of their software. ha ha! > > What do you guys think?.. Shall I continue my work and present a workable demo of it in the coming weeks (I'll send a link later on)?.. I would also gladly help by installing the software on the servers if the members think its a good idea. > > Great idea, note that Matt Tucker from Jive Software also offered us a Jive SBS license about this time last year. http://www.jivesoftware.com/ David. > --Cheers and have a nice Valentines day! > > -- > Steffen Larsen > http://www.zool.dk > xmpp:zooldk at gmail.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gnauck at ag-software.de Mon Feb 15 02:00:56 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:00:56 +0100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Hi all you beautiful XMPP members! :-) Hi Steffen, thanks for your email. > I also have some questions for you guys that have a longer relationship with > the current wiki.. what is the current wiki used for?.. As I see it we use > it as an intranet for swapping XMPP ideas, consolidating dates, meetings, > future roadmaps etc? Am I correct? on the current wiki there is also some > links for XMPP servers and clients, but why is this needed if they are > already presented on the normal page of www.xmpp.org? I would also like to > see the new wiki as a starting place for new members (like my self) to get > an introduction about the structure of XMPP, the different teams etc. So all > the stuff on the www.xmpp.org is the public stuff about the XMPP protocol > and the wiki.xmpp.org is for the collaborating members. the wiki was used for lots of stuff in the past. Even if the most pages are applications now. You will find also many other content there: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Special:AllPages I think it's not in use that much today because there is no structure at all and its hard to locate any content. I always use the search functions, or locate content over "all pages" which is not user friendly. Before we switched to the new web server we had links to content items on the frontpage: http://web.archive.org/web/20080618074959re_rn_1/wiki.jabber.org/index.php/Main_Page > * We can import our current media wiki if we want to.. there is a plugin for > this.. sounds good > What do you guys think?.. Shall I continue my work and present a workable > demo of it in the coming weeks (I'll send a link later on)?.. I would also > gladly help by installing the software on the servers if the members think > its a good idea. I don't like the MediaWiki at all. I just use it because its there ;-) So +1 for switching to a system which is more user, admin and editor friendly. Alex From matt at jivesoftware.com Mon Feb 15 12:03:51 2010 From: matt at jivesoftware.com (Matt Tucker) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:03:51 +0000 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <25303D42-313E-4054-80EE-24A45D75A4DA@jivesoftware.com> Yep, we'd absolutely still provide a free copy of Jive SBS! The Atlassian stuff is great as well. One thing Jive would be helpful for is integrating forums and the mailing lists. -Matt On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:34 PM, David Banes wrote: > > On 15/02/2010, at 4:44 AM, Steffen Larsen wrote: > >> Hi all you beautiful XMPP members! :-) >> >> I've been talking with Alexander Gnauk lately about our wiki (wiki.xmpp.org), because I needed to update the site about our member bot and what kind of features we want in the future for the bot. >> After updating the wiki and talking a bit with Alexander, we came to the conclusion that a new wiki could be really nice, because of a lot of bad behaviors of the old one (difficult to add new users, password changes and administration in general). >> So I was thinking the other day of the alternatives for a new wiki. >> >> After using both JIRA, fisheye and confluence at work I was wondering why we do not use this scenario as well for our XSF? We already use fisheye as a SCM GUI, so for me it looks straight-forward to use confluence as well for our new wiki. >> As I see it we to consolidate our communication a bit and structure it and I believe that we can obtain that by moving our media wiki to Atlassian's confluence (a more structured wiki). >> >> With confluence we get an easy administration for users and pages and it integrates very well with other kinds of software, e.g. Fisheye, JIRA and all other open social gadget based platforms. I do not know if we have any issue tracking back-end yet, otherwise we could use JIRA as well to keep track of who is doing what (assign tasks to people instead of just emails flowing around) and even our XML/XSD protocol documents (XEPs). In that way our internal pages could be coupled together with the documents we are working on. We can even define our own work flow if we want. >> >> I have used a couple of days to setup Confluence locally as our wiki and it seems very nice and simple for us to use if we want to have it instead of media wiki. So what do you guys think of the idea? >> >> I also have some questions for you guys that have a longer relationship with the current wiki.. what is the current wiki used for?.. As I see it we use it as an intranet for swapping XMPP ideas, consolidating dates, meetings, future roadmaps etc? Am I correct? on the current wiki there is also some links for XMPP servers and clients, but why is this needed if they are already presented on the normal page of www.xmpp.org? I would also like to see the new wiki as a starting place for new members (like my self) to get an introduction about the structure of XMPP, the different teams etc. So all the stuff on the www.xmpp.org is the public stuff about the XMPP protocol and the wiki.xmpp.org is for the collaborating members. >> >> To get back to the facts about confluence: >> >> * We an get it for free, because we are an non-profix organization, which is nice. :-) >> * To install it on our servers we need an application server or servlet container (like tomcat or jboss etc) and a mysql for database storage. >> * If we have a LDAP of all the XMPP members we can use this ni confluence for users, passwords and access rights. So we would also be able to split the different teams with different access and rights. >> * We can import our current media wiki if we want to.. there is a plugin for this.. >> >> Some links: >> >> http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ >> http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ >> >> By the way I am in no way associated with Atlassian, just a daily user of their software. ha ha! >> >> What do you guys think?.. Shall I continue my work and present a workable demo of it in the coming weeks (I'll send a link later on)?.. I would also gladly help by installing the software on the servers if the members think its a good idea. >> >> > > Great idea, note that Matt Tucker from Jive Software also offered us a Jive SBS license about this time last year. > > http://www.jivesoftware.com/ > > David. > > >> --Cheers and have a nice Valentines day! >> >> -- >> Steffen Larsen >> http://www.zool.dk >> xmpp:zooldk at gmail.com >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tmarkmann at googlemail.com Mon Feb 15 12:58:18 2010 From: tmarkmann at googlemail.com (Tobias Markmann) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:58:18 +0100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 14.02.2010, at 18:44, Steffen Larsen wrote: > After using both JIRA, fisheye and confluence at work I was wondering why we do not use this scenario as well for our XSF? We already use fisheye as a SCM GUI, so for me it looks straight-forward to use confluence as well for our new wiki. > As I see it we to consolidate our communication a bit and structure it and I believe that we can obtain that by moving our media wiki to Atlassian's confluence (a more structured wiki). I'm not completely against using different software for wiki and so but all I can say is it would need more than just a license to make this reality. Since we already had an installation of Fisheye and JIRA running which got shut down because it ended up using 100% CPU. So if we decide on using a different software we'd at least need a person on the infrastructure team who would install and maintain this. Cheers, Tobias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4775 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stpeter at stpeter.im Mon Feb 15 13:04:06 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:04:06 -0700 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B799AA6.8000802@stpeter.im> On 2/15/10 11:58 AM, Tobias Markmann wrote: > On 14.02.2010, at 18:44, Steffen Larsen wrote: > >> After using both JIRA, fisheye and confluence at work I was >> wondering why we do not use this scenario as well for our XSF? We >> already use fisheye as a SCM GUI, so for me it looks >> straight-forward to use confluence as well for our new wiki. As I >> see it we to consolidate our communication a bit and structure it >> and I believe that we can obtain that by moving our media wiki to >> Atlassian's confluence (a more structured wiki). > > I'm not completely against using different software for wiki and so > but all I can say is it would need more than just a license to make > this reality. Since we already had an installation of Fisheye and > JIRA running which got shut down because it ended up using 100% CPU. > So if we decide on using a different software we'd at least need a > person on the infrastructure team who would install and maintain > this. Why do we think that new wiki software would make people more likely to contribute? /psa -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From bear42 at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 13:10:12 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:10:12 -0500 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 13:58, Tobias Markmann wrote: > On 14.02.2010, at 18:44, Steffen Larsen wrote: > >> After using both JIRA, fisheye and confluence at work I was wondering why we do not use this scenario as well for our XSF? We already use fisheye as a SCM GUI, so for me it looks straight-forward to use confluence as well for our new wiki. >> As I see it we to consolidate our communication a bit and structure it and I believe that we can obtain that by moving our media wiki to Atlassian's confluence (a more structured wiki). > > I'm not completely against using different software for wiki and so but all I can say is it would need more than just a license to make this reality. Since we already had an installation of Fisheye and JIRA running which got shut down because it ended up using 100% CPU. So if we decide on using a different software we'd at least need a person on the infrastructure team who would install and maintain this. I'm very confortable running/maintaining all of the atlassian products - I do that now at Seesmic. So if you need any help let me know. > > Cheers, > Tobias -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From dbanes at cleartext.com Mon Feb 15 15:44:36 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:44:36 +1100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: <25303D42-313E-4054-80EE-24A45D75A4DA@jivesoftware.com> References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> <25303D42-313E-4054-80EE-24A45D75A4DA@jivesoftware.com> Message-ID: And thinking about it we (Cleartext) have experience running this platform, and hosting it (as a Jive partner). We'd need a box with 4Gb of RAM, we usually host at Slicehost (http://www.slicehost.com/). Happy to help out, but note Peter's comment about Wiki's, just changing the software doesn't mean more people will use it, BUT we do see more people engaging when the platform is cool, Jive SBS certainly is that. David. PS - Sorry about the top post, in a hurry! On 16/02/2010, at 5:03 AM, Matt Tucker wrote: > Yep, we'd absolutely still provide a free copy of Jive SBS! The Atlassian stuff is great as well. One thing Jive would be helpful for is integrating forums and the mailing lists. > > -Matt > > On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:34 PM, David Banes wrote: > >> >> On 15/02/2010, at 4:44 AM, Steffen Larsen wrote: >> >>> Hi all you beautiful XMPP members! :-) >>> >>> I've been talking with Alexander Gnauk lately about our wiki (wiki.xmpp.org), because I needed to update the site about our member bot and what kind of features we want in the future for the bot. >>> After updating the wiki and talking a bit with Alexander, we came to the conclusion that a new wiki could be really nice, because of a lot of bad behaviors of the old one (difficult to add new users, password changes and administration in general). >>> So I was thinking the other day of the alternatives for a new wiki. >>> >>> After using both JIRA, fisheye and confluence at work I was wondering why we do not use this scenario as well for our XSF? We already use fisheye as a SCM GUI, so for me it looks straight-forward to use confluence as well for our new wiki. >>> As I see it we to consolidate our communication a bit and structure it and I believe that we can obtain that by moving our media wiki to Atlassian's confluence (a more structured wiki). >>> >>> With confluence we get an easy administration for users and pages and it integrates very well with other kinds of software, e.g. Fisheye, JIRA and all other open social gadget based platforms. I do not know if we have any issue tracking back-end yet, otherwise we could use JIRA as well to keep track of who is doing what (assign tasks to people instead of just emails flowing around) and even our XML/XSD protocol documents (XEPs). In that way our internal pages could be coupled together with the documents we are working on. We can even define our own work flow if we want. >>> >>> I have used a couple of days to setup Confluence locally as our wiki and it seems very nice and simple for us to use if we want to have it instead of media wiki. So what do you guys think of the idea? >>> >>> I also have some questions for you guys that have a longer relationship with the current wiki.. what is the current wiki used for?.. As I see it we use it as an intranet for swapping XMPP ideas, consolidating dates, meetings, future roadmaps etc? Am I correct? on the current wiki there is also some links for XMPP servers and clients, but why is this needed if they are already presented on the normal page of www.xmpp.org? I would also like to see the new wiki as a starting place for new members (like my self) to get an introduction about the structure of XMPP, the different teams etc. So all the stuff on the www.xmpp.org is the public stuff about the XMPP protocol and the wiki.xmpp.org is for the collaborating members. >>> >>> To get back to the facts about confluence: >>> >>> * We an get it for free, because we are an non-profix organization, which is nice. :-) >>> * To install it on our servers we need an application server or servlet container (like tomcat or jboss etc) and a mysql for database storage. >>> * If we have a LDAP of all the XMPP members we can use this ni confluence for users, passwords and access rights. So we would also be able to split the different teams with different access and rights. >>> * We can import our current media wiki if we want to.. there is a plugin for this.. >>> >>> Some links: >>> >>> http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ >>> http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ >>> >>> By the way I am in no way associated with Atlassian, just a daily user of their software. ha ha! >>> >>> What do you guys think?.. Shall I continue my work and present a workable demo of it in the coming weeks (I'll send a link later on)?.. I would also gladly help by installing the software on the servers if the members think its a good idea. >>> >>> >> >> Great idea, note that Matt Tucker from Jive Software also offered us a Jive SBS license about this time last year. >> >> http://www.jivesoftware.com/ >> >> David. >> >> >>> --Cheers and have a nice Valentines day! >>> >>> -- >>> Steffen Larsen >>> http://www.zool.dk >>> xmpp:zooldk at gmail.com >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From stpeter at stpeter.im Mon Feb 15 21:17:46 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:17:46 -0700 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7A0E5A.3080405@stpeter.im> On 2/12/10 4:16 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > 2010/2/12 Remko Tron?on : >>> A simple list of client names. Next to each name, icons for each platform >>> the client runs on. >> >> That's the way around. Users don't browse through client lists and >> then check what platform it runs on. Instead, they have a platform and >> need to see what clients run on it. >> >> I'm with Justin on not putting clients in a cross-platform section, >> not only because users don't look up clients that way, but also >> because it's not clear what that means (is supporting 3 platforms >> enough? how about 2?) >> >> If a client is cross-platform, list it in every platform it is >> supported on, and optionally add something like "(see also: Windows, >> Linux)" > > Different aproaches here: > http://wiki.jabberfr.org/Clients > http://www.jabberes.org/clientes > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XMPP_client_software > > The "Principal clients" section on jabberes makes sense, for a fast > choice, but it would advantage the most popular ones. > > The "Pure XMPP" and "Multiprotocol" clients approaches of jabberfr and > Wikipedia is fine from a user perspetive, since the platform may not > be the first criterion of choice. > > Then comes the platforms: > * On jabberes, they appear as text at the end, it might be more > readable with small logo, as well as more complicated haveing images > inline with text > * On Wikipedia, the dynamic table lets you sort by platform, although > some are noted "Cross-platform" > * On jabberfr, you have columns as platforms, with the traditionnal > Win/Lin/Mac, but also mobile and web > > Comparing most of these classifications, I would recommend: > * The "most popular section" at the beginning, like on jabberes > * Categorization with XMPP/multi/servce/old seems really intuitive, > like on jabberfr > * Then the platform columns, like on jabberfr Quite possibly. If you guys want to re-arrange the page, feel free. :) We've always avoided a most-popular section because it's hard to decide what is most popular, we don't want to offend any developers, etc. But the arrangement you propose seems reasonable to me. > We might also add categorization in the mobile space, as stpeter > asked, but the entropy is (still) too high here. Philosophically, we > should add a categorization when this makes sense: the list of > categories must not be too long, every category should have at least > three items, etc. > > Did I just win my 2 cents? I think so. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have not yet voted, please send a message to: xmpp:memberbot at jabber.org. The meeting particulars are: Date: 2010-02-17 Time: 20:00 UTC Location: xsf at muc.xmpp.org Regards, Alex From will at willsheward.co.uk Tue Feb 16 04:03:38 2010 From: will at willsheward.co.uk (Will Sheward) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:03:38 +0000 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > 2010/2/12 Remko Tron?on : > >>> A simple list of client names. Next to each name, icons for each platform >>> the client runs on. >>> >> That's the way around. Users don't browse through client lists and >> then check what platform it runs on. Instead, they have a platform and >> need to see what clients run on it. >> >> I'm with Justin on not putting clients in a cross-platform section, >> not only because users don't look up clients that way, but also >> because it's not clear what that means (is supporting 3 platforms >> enough? how about 2?) >> >> If a client is cross-platform, list it in every platform it is >> supported on, and optionally add something like "(see also: Windows, >> Linux)" >> The way I've done it on the new site is to list clients simply, with all of their supported platforms, and make the table both sortable and searchable. Having 1 column per operating system is a recipe for a VERY wide table eventually. I stuck a sample up at http://willsheward.net/?page_id=8 Will From dave at cridland.net Tue Feb 16 04:32:18 2010 From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:32:18 +0000 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> Message-ID: <18559.1266316338.940481@puncture> On Tue Feb 16 10:03:38 2010, Will Sheward wrote: > The way I've done it on the new site is to list clients simply, > with all of their supported platforms, and make the table both > sortable and searchable. Having 1 column per operating system is a > recipe for a VERY wide table eventually. > > I stuck a sample up at http://willsheward.net/?page_id=8 That's very pretty - sorry, Visually Compelling - but I think that there's a couple of problems. First off, people do, I think, look for cross-platform clients, in the cases where they have multiple platforms in their organizations and wish to support a single client if possible. These people will have to visually inspect the list. Secondly, sorting the list doesn't actually put all the Windows capable clients together, and there's no way of getting a neat list of Mac OS X clients. I suspect what you actually want is to have some checkboxes at the top to allow the suer to list, say, only clients which can run on Mac OS X and Windows. That also means that "Mobile" can be broken down into something useful (like S60, iPhone, MeeGo/Maemo, etc). Finally, some will like Open Source, some will need commercial support, and some might even insist on both. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade From will at willsheward.co.uk Tue Feb 16 04:38:27 2010 From: will at willsheward.co.uk (Will Sheward) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:38:27 +0000 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <18559.1266316338.940481@puncture> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> <18559.1266316338.940481@puncture> Message-ID: <4B7A75A3.5000601@willsheward.co.uk> Dave Cridland wrote: > On Tue Feb 16 10:03:38 2010, Will Sheward wrote: >> The way I've done it on the new site is to list clients simply, with >> all of their supported platforms, and make the table both sortable >> and searchable. Having 1 column per operating system is a recipe for >> a VERY wide table eventually. >> >> I stuck a sample up at http://willsheward.net/?page_id=8 > > That's very pretty - sorry, Visually Compelling - but I think that > there's a couple of problems. > > First off, people do, I think, look for cross-platform clients, in the > cases where they have multiple platforms in their organizations and > wish to support a single client if possible. These people will have to > visually inspect the list. Err, have you tried typing the list of platforms you want into the search box? > > Secondly, sorting the list doesn't actually put all the Windows > capable clients together, and there's no way of getting a neat list of > Mac OS X clients. Errr, have you tried typing 'MacOS' into the search box? > > I suspect what you actually want is to have some checkboxes at the top > to allow the suer to list, say, only clients which can run on Mac OS X > and Windows. Search box. Will. From dave at cridland.net Tue Feb 16 05:01:41 2010 From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:01:41 +0000 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <4B7A75A3.5000601@willsheward.co.uk> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> <18559.1266316338.940481@puncture> <4B7A75A3.5000601@willsheward.co.uk> Message-ID: <18559.1266318101.775856@puncture> On Tue Feb 16 10:38:27 2010, Will Sheward wrote: > Dave Cridland wrote: >> On Tue Feb 16 10:03:38 2010, Will Sheward wrote: >>> The way I've done it on the new site is to list clients simply, >>> with all of their supported platforms, and make the table both >>> sortable and searchable. Having 1 column per operating system is >>> a recipe for a VERY wide table eventually. >>> >>> I stuck a sample up at http://willsheward.net/?page_id=8 >> >> That's very pretty - sorry, Visually Compelling - but I think that >> there's a couple of problems. >> >> First off, people do, I think, look for cross-platform clients, in >> the cases where they have multiple platforms in their >> organizations and wish to support a single client if possible. >> These people will have to visually inspect the list. > > Err, have you tried typing the list of platforms you want into the > search box? Nope. :-) >> Secondly, sorting the list doesn't actually put all the Windows >> capable clients together, and there's no way of getting a neat >> list of Mac OS X clients. > > Errr, have you tried typing 'MacOS' into the search box? Nope. :-) >> I suspect what you actually want is to have some checkboxes at the >> top to allow the suer to list, say, only clients which can run on >> Mac OS X and Windows. > > Search box. See, I didn't think I needed to search, I just wanted a quick list of clients for the platforms I cared about. Maybe I'm weird, especially given the recent amusement over RWW and Facebook Login. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade From will at willsheward.co.uk Tue Feb 16 05:07:31 2010 From: will at willsheward.co.uk (Will Sheward) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:07:31 +0000 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <18559.1266318101.775856@puncture> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> <18559.1266316338.940481@puncture> <4B7A75A3.5000601@willsheward.co.uk> <18559.1266318101.775856@puncture> Message-ID: <4B7A7C73.8050906@willsheward.co.uk> Dave Cridland wrote: > Maybe I'm weird Mmm. From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 08:12:07 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:12:07 +0100 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002160612w3f2fdca7qa85910b864a64c54@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:03, Will Sheward wrote: > The way I've done it on the new site is to list clients simply, with all of > their supported platforms, and make the table both sortable and searchable. > Having 1 column per operating system is a recipe for a VERY wide table > eventually. > > I stuck a sample up at http://willsheward.net/?page_id=8 Dynamic tables with sorting are cool. But here, when sorting on the "platform" column, I don't find "Gajim" in the Windows block, but in "Linux, Windows", the same way I don't find clients for "Mac OS X" only, with all the Mac clients out there. -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From dave at cridland.net Tue Feb 16 08:16:40 2010 From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:16:40 +0000 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002160612w3f2fdca7qa85910b864a64c54@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> <6e2f977f1002160612w3f2fdca7qa85910b864a64c54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18559.1266329800.734427@puncture> On Tue Feb 16 14:12:07 2010, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:03, Will Sheward > wrote: > > The way I've done it on the new site is to list clients simply, > with all of > > their supported platforms, and make the table both sortable and > searchable. > > Having 1 column per operating system is a recipe for a VERY wide > table > > eventually. > > > > I stuck a sample up at http://willsheward.net/?page_id=8 > > Dynamic tables with sorting are cool. > > But here, when sorting on the "platform" column, I don't find > "Gajim" > in the Windows block, but in "Linux, Windows", the same way I don't > find clients for "Mac OS X" only, with all the Mac clients out > there. So it's *not* just me, then. :-) Apperently you're meant to search. (Which does work rather well). Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade From bear42 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 09:20:48 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:20:48 -0500 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <4B7A7C73.8050906@willsheward.co.uk> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> <18559.1266316338.940481@puncture> <4B7A75A3.5000601@willsheward.co.uk> <18559.1266318101.775856@puncture> <4B7A7C73.8050906@willsheward.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 06:07, Will Sheward wrote: > Dave Cridland wrote: >> >> Maybe I'm weird > > Mmm. > /me chuckles quietly in the corner -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From stpeter at stpeter.im Tue Feb 16 09:22:19 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:22:19 -0700 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B7AB82B.5000900@stpeter.im> On 2/16/10 3:03 AM, Will Sheward wrote: > The way I've done it on the new site is to list clients simply, with all > of their supported platforms, and make the table both sortable and > searchable. Having 1 column per operating system is a recipe for a VERY > wide table eventually. > > I stuck a sample up at http://willsheward.net/?page_id=8 I like that page. Let's figure out how we can migrate what you've done to the live site. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 09:22:59 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:22:59 +0100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002160722p147645d3o633e4a8698167d76@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 18:44, Steffen Larsen wrote: > Hi all you beautiful XMPP members! :-) > > I've been talking with Alexander Gnauk lately about our wiki > (wiki.xmpp.org), because I needed to update the site about our member bot > and what kind of features we want in the future for the bot. > After updating the wiki and talking a bit with Alexander, we came to the > conclusion that a new wiki could be really nice, because of a lot of bad > behaviors of the old one (difficult to add new users, password changes and > administration in general). > So I was thinking the other day of the alternatives for a new wiki. > > After using both JIRA, fisheye and confluence at work I was wondering why we > do not use this scenario as well for our XSF? We already use fisheye as a > SCM GUI, so for me it looks straight-forward to use confluence as well for > our new wiki. > As I see it we to consolidate our communication a bit and structure it and I > believe that we can obtain that by moving our media wiki to Atlassian's > confluence (a more structured wiki). > > With confluence we get an easy administration for users and pages and it > integrates very well with other kinds of software, e.g. Fisheye, JIRA and > all other open social gadget based platforms. ?I do not know if we have any > issue tracking back-end yet, otherwise we could use JIRA as well to keep > track of who is doing what (assign tasks to people instead of just emails > flowing around) and even our XML/XSD protocol documents (XEPs). In that way > our internal pages could be coupled together with the documents we are > working on. We can even define our own work flow if we want. > > I have used a couple of days to setup Confluence locally as our wiki and it > seems very nice and simple for us to use if we want to have it instead of > media wiki. So what do you guys think of the idea? > > I also have some questions for you guys that have a longer relationship with > the current wiki.. what is the current wiki used for?.. As I see it we use > it as an intranet for swapping XMPP ideas, consolidating dates, meetings, > future roadmaps etc? Am I correct? on the current wiki there is also some > links for XMPP servers and clients, but why is this needed if they are > already presented on the normal page of www.xmpp.org? I would also like to > see the new wiki as a starting place for new members (like my self) to get > an introduction about the structure of XMPP, the different teams etc. So all > the stuff on the www.xmpp.org is the public stuff about the XMPP protocol > and the wiki.xmpp.org is for the collaborating members. > > To get back to the facts about confluence: > > * We an get it for free, because we are an non-profix organization, which is > nice. :-) > * To install it on our servers we need an application server or servlet > container (like tomcat or jboss etc) and a mysql for database storage. > * If we have a LDAP of all the XMPP members we can use this ni confluence > for users, passwords and access rights. So we would also be able to split > the different teams with different access and rights. > * We can import our current media wiki if we want to.. there is a plugin for > this.. > > Some links: > > http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ > http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ > > By the way I am in no way associated with Atlassian, just a daily user of > their software. ha ha! > > What do you guys think?.. Shall I continue my work and present a workable > demo of it in the coming weeks (I'll send a link later on)?.. I would also > gladly help by installing the software on the servers if the members think > its a good idea. If you need to collaboratively edit a requirements document for memberbot, please search and edit an exsting one, or create a new one. There was this old page, I had erased the content (still available in 'history'), and added stuff, before I realised you've created one: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Memberbot_recoding http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/MemberShip_Bot We now have two pages... Why would we need an alternative to our wiki? If there are real needs, maybe we could address them with the existing wiki. Please list theme here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Wiki_requirements Whatever the alternative wiki, which we eventually would chose with much endless and exhausting geeks discussions, we have no guarantee this would fill better our understood/said/written needs and/or requirements (getting more contributions may not be forcefully one of those). Changing again and again our tools and websites is definitely not the way to go, especially proprietary software, with a migration path in, but not out (supposing the way in has not trouble). Apart from that consideration, everybody knows Wikipedia thus Mediawiki, the other two mentionned in this thread are only know by elite, if not niche users, and that would be a huge barrier to contributions. If people are considering helping an supposed wiki migration, why not considering contributing to the existing one? If there's too much "Applications", then maybe we could use a namespace for these, in order not to "pollute" the other content. And maybe also that namespace shoud not be "Applications" since in a software world, it also means something else. The best idea for now, besides writing clear requirements, would be to clean out the old and useless content. By clean out, I mean putting for example old content in a separated namespace, like "Obsolete", and not just delete it and lose it forever (or let Google/Bing do our backups for us). With Applications and Obsolete, we have a clean wiki. We can then rework the home page: http://wiki.xmpp.org/ Then, as for any collab tool, we could write some small, simple policies. We can also write a simple and small set of templates and categories, if needed. We can also migrate from our version 1.13.2 we have now, to a more actual 1.15.1 that is available today. Be also carefull not to duplicate the website content, which is under rework. See? We got a lot of things to do and consider before we spend/waste time on the choice of an alternate wiki, and install/maintain it, with no better results in the end (what are "better results"?). The wiki works fine for those who use it. Yes, it could work better, but then let's enhance it. And see where it goes. As long as I remember, it has never received much attention... -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From will at willsheward.co.uk Tue Feb 16 11:30:54 2010 From: will at willsheward.co.uk (Will Sheward) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:30:54 +0000 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <4B7AB82B.5000900@stpeter.im> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> <4B7AB82B.5000900@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <4B7AD64E.60807@willsheward.co.uk> Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > I like that page. See? Peter knows how to use a SEARCH BOX ;-) Let's figure out how we can migrate what you've done > to the live site. :) > It's a wordpress table generation plugin, all of the tables are exportable/importable from one WP install to another. Will. From kevin at kismith.co.uk Tue Feb 16 11:34:11 2010 From: kevin at kismith.co.uk (Kevin Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:34:11 +0000 Subject: [Members] Clients In-Reply-To: <4B7AD64E.60807@willsheward.co.uk> References: <6e2f977f1001270154v3518c1ffhb5059080d8535176@mail.gmail.com> <201002051027.19844.justin@affinix.com> <201002051547.36935.justin@affinix.com> <7fc4fa881002051659r517dc448vff59a77acfeed68b@mail.gmail.com> <133fd4c61002120252i77b0183evd56557f4d815443c@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002120316l27f6748em6dc9de5c7a2a0e25@mail.gmail.com> <4B7A6D7A.7040707@willsheward.co.uk> <4B7AB82B.5000900@stpeter.im> <4B7AD64E.60807@willsheward.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Will Sheward wrote: >> Let's figure out how we can migrate what you've done >> to the live site. :) > It's a wordpress table generation plugin, all of the tables are > exportable/importable from one WP install to another. I couldn't work out how to do that from the search box... /K From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 13:07:35 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:07:35 +0100 Subject: [Members] CommTeam meeting minutes Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002161107y1db35279nceeeffb81ba29de7@mail.gmail.com> Hi members, Here is the minutes of this CommTeam meeting: ==== XSF CommTeam meeting 2010-02-16 Agenda: 1) New website requirements 2) Tech pages rework 3) Podcasts 4) Contribution 5) Blog posting 6) Microblogging 7) xmpp.net Minutes: 1) New website requirements Taking a look at: http://willsheward.net/ TODO: * nice URLs: Tobias * create admin accounts on stage: Will * go to stage by February 19 * review week of February 21 * go live week of March 1 2) Tech pages rework Tech pages: http://xmpp.org/tech/ Working copies: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages Move tech pages to wiki Question: do we do the same for the software pages? No real need. Need to investigate how it could be done. 3) Podcasts 3 to 5 done at FOSDEM, to be posted, more to be done over Jingle 4) Contribution Need more people to join and help, get members to contribute. 5) Blog posting * need more frequent posting * e.g., Council members to post about new/advanced XEPs 6) Microblogging * stpeter to create Identi.ca and Twitter accounts http://identi.ca/xsf * identi.ca exists, need to create Twitter 7) xmpp.net Redirect xmpp.net to xmpp.org Next meeting: tuesday 2010-03-02 ==== And here are the logs: ==== *** 2010-02-16 [18:43:24] *** The topic has been set to: XSF Communication Team [18:44:22] *** guillaumelegales has joined the room as a participant [18:44:36] *** guillaumelegales is now known as Guillaume [18:44:36] *** Guillaume is now known as guillaumelegales [18:47:37] *** Will has joined the room as a participant [18:47:58] evening [18:48:19] *** guillaumelegales is now known as Guillaume [18:48:19] *** Guillaume is now known as guillaumelegales [18:48:54] Can you please invite: # Anders Conbere # Waqas Hussain # Steven Parkes I don't have them in my roster... [18:49:18] *** stpeter has joined the room as a moderator and an owner [18:49:26] niether do i [18:49:32] I probably do :) [18:50:21] surprise! [18:51:40] ...and if you wish to invite more contributors, or just interested people, please do! [18:51:50] I'll dent it :) [18:51:56] cool, thx [18:53:20] *** guillaumelegales is now known as Guillaume [18:53:20] *** Guillaume is now known as guillaumelegales [18:54:05] OK I invited Anders, Waqas, and Steven [18:54:09] or tried to :) [18:54:29] I think it'd be handy to have these rooms non-anonymous. [18:54:46] All XSF members need to have their jids public anyway. [18:55:34] it'd also be handy to have a shared group for XSF members :) [18:55:56] and a bot that automatically reminds XSF members about meetings of interest [18:56:00] For which we'd need a shared group spec :) [18:56:03] that iteam needs to get to work :P [18:56:05] brb [18:56:16] ji all [18:58:01] *** Tobias has joined the room as a participant [18:58:21] *** guillaumelegales is now known as Guillaume [18:59:46] hi Guillaume [19:00:35] Kev: perhaps we need an iteam meeting, too :) [19:00:41] hi [19:00:53] hallo Tobias [19:01:52] shared roster: good idea! [19:02:04] but in a federated world... aouch! [19:02:10] hehe [19:02:18] i thought joining as commteam seems to be in charge of xmpp.org web and so stuff :) [19:02:31] not only [19:02:50] Tobias: sure, that was an action item for the infrastructure team [19:02:53] need for a federated shared roster XEP? [19:03:21] *** Guillaume is now known as guillaumelegales [19:03:22] *** guillaumelegales is now known as Guillaume [19:03:35] so shall we start? [19:03:38] ok [19:04:59] yes [19:05:02] agenda: [19:05:20] * new website requirements (we failed to prepare that, although we still have a few hours, and can talk about that item in meeting) * Tech pages rework * Podcasts What else? [19:06:02] http://etherpad.com/6XSj4kfnAK public collab text editor, please contribute in realtime to the minutes [19:06:26] nice [19:06:31] cool [19:06:35] I hope this is using XMPP underneath! [19:06:35] ok [19:06:37] yes, but too bad it's not on XMPP :'( [19:06:44] yeah [19:06:44] no Kev... [19:06:55] Tell MattJ, he'll write a new one that is :) [19:07:01] :) [19:07:09] any other agenda item? [19:07:22] Contribution? [19:07:34] N?co: blog posting? [19:07:34] Up to you. [19:07:49] Kev: what do you mean? [19:07:58] Asking people to do stuff :) [19:07:59] Kev: yeah, what do you mean? [19:08:11] Up to you whether you think it's warranted. [19:08:22] *** Guillaume is now known as guillaumelegales [19:08:33] ok, so first agenda item? [19:08:52] new website requirements (we failed to prepare that, although we still have a few hours, and can talk about that item in meeting) [19:09:09] do we need to write these requirements? is it decided to go live? [19:09:23] For the sake of us with poor memories, could you remind us where we are with this, please? [19:09:30] i'm not sure there's that much left to do on the new site [19:09:34] http://willsheward.net/ :) [19:09:42] except push it over to stage. and then go live [19:10:06] there's some info missing (some=lots) from the 'About' section [19:10:14] I vote for a push to live, then we fix/enhance one by one all the issues [19:10:31] mostly historical stuff so someone should go over the existing site, identify important stuff and start importing [19:10:37] presumably we need to handle URL redirects to things like http://willsheward.net/?page_id=33 or define friendly URLs for those [19:10:37] I think we should sort out the URLs, too - http://willsheward.net/?page_id=2 is ugly. [19:10:38] Will: do we need to write the About page? on the wiki? [19:10:47] :) [19:10:54] yes, nice URL is a must have [19:10:55] Also, there's a CSS bug on the above page, "What is the XSF?" Is off in the ether somewhere to the right. [19:10:59] Will: would it be possible to get filtering for XEPs via checkboxes like at http://xmpp.org/extensions? [19:11:35] Tobias: i' looking at the table plugin at the moment - i think so [19:11:39] Tobias: I assume so [19:11:57] (aside for the Board: we need to figure out who is still a sponsor :) [19:12:02] obviously it's not going to stay at willsheward.net - i need that space back :-) [19:12:07] heh [19:12:09] yeah [19:12:12] stpeter: next board meeting - yes [19:12:25] How about.... [19:12:32] this site looks so much better than the plain vanilla site we have now [19:12:39] I commit to getting this stuff over to stage.xmpp.org by the end of this week.... [19:12:58] blog.xmpp.org would be obsolete now, right? [19:13:20] then we have a quick review, tidy tables, set up admin, contributor accounts, [19:13:22] well, a need for migration [19:13:22] *** guillaumelegales is now known as Guillaume [19:13:23] *** Guillaume is now known as guillaumelegales [19:13:31] we must not lose any content from blog [19:13:38] Will: sounds good, I can commit to helping on that, too [19:13:40] Everyone will review next week? [19:13:41] N?co: agreed [19:13:43] stpeter: blog.xmpp.org should now (then) point to xmpp.org homepage [19:13:48] Will: yes [19:13:49] Go live following week? [19:13:51] excellent [19:14:04] N?co: the blog posts will be importable [19:14:09] please note here: http://etherpad.com/6XSj4kfnAK [19:14:12] ok [19:14:13] wordpress - to - wordpress [19:14:29] eek - it's in writing :-) [19:14:41] is there a plugin or backup system that does the transfer? [19:15:07] i could take care of clean urls if it's setup, already did it for jabber.org page [19:15:08] N?co: i'll set up some admin accounts on stage.xmpp so people can get familiar with the wordpress plugins i've used [19:15:18] ok Tobias [19:15:21] or those admin accounts might already be therer [19:15:38] ok Will, thx [19:16:24] basically Board, Council, and Communication Team members would have accounts, correct? [19:16:34] yes [19:16:41] yes, plus those who want to contrib [19:16:47] does xsf have twitter / identi.ca accounts ? [19:16:54] guillaumelegales: not yet [19:16:57] good point [19:17:13] iyes [19:17:15] yes [19:17:18] but we can set those up (primary on identi.ca, bridge to Twitter) [19:17:30] *** fritzy has joined the room as a participant [19:17:33] hi fritzy [19:17:35] stpeter: you want to create those MB accounts? [19:17:36] we could use those with twitterfeed [19:17:40] howdy [19:17:44] N?co: yes [19:17:49] ok, thx! [19:18:23] *** guillaumelegales is now known as Guillaume [19:18:24] *** Guillaume is now known as guillaumelegales [19:18:33] hi fritzy [19:18:38] and a facebook fan page ? [19:18:49] heh [19:19:00] *stpeter deleted his FB account recently.... [19:19:05] there are already XMPP, Jabber thingies [19:19:21] no official xsf fan page ? [19:19:28] stpeter: oh fool, FB is the biggest XMPP deployment in da worldz! [19:19:46] guillaumelegales: how can a fanpage be official? [19:19:55] is a "fan" page what we want? [19:20:11] I'd vote for starting with microblogging :) [19:20:13] it's cool to post articles on facebook [19:20:16] 400M users [19:20:27] good source of traffic [19:20:36] 200M active users... only ;-) [19:20:52] lol [19:21:19] we could investigate on what SNS w could invest time... FB? others? [19:21:26] heh it seems that we already have http://identi.ca/xsf [19:21:43] ...msut... retrieve... passwd... [19:21:46] N?co: and not even full XMPP Core and XMPP IM compliant :) [19:22:01] last update = 1 year ago :-( [19:22:19] Tobias: I suggest we rename it to FBMPP [19:22:24] mind you - the last update is still true :-) [19:23:18] *** Bloody Rose has joined the room as a participant [19:23:24] *** guillaumelegales is now known as Guillaume [19:23:24] *** Guillaume is now known as guillaumelegales [19:23:34] ok for these points in the agenda: * website update * microblogging up to next point? * Tech pages? [19:24:13] heh, I even know the password for our identi.ca account :) [19:24:21] http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages [19:24:58] we had to review the actual ones and create new ones [19:25:03] any idea/need? [19:25:50] not inspiring... [19:26:01] *** guillaumelegales has left the room [19:26:04] *** N?co is now a moderator and an administrator [19:26:17] *N?co bombe le torse... [19:26:25] *** guillaumelegales (guillaumelegales at gmail.com/GajimC39E3508) has joined the room as a participant [19:26:34] (sorry, I don't know how to say it in english) [19:26:35] N?co: I wonder about these tech pages. It seems a bit empty at the moment... [19:26:42] Kev: yeah [19:26:43] *** Guillaume (guillaume at ufederation.com/Gajim) has joined the room as a participant [19:26:49] they don't seem empty, they are... [19:26:55] haha [19:26:57] *** guillaumelegales (guillaumelegales at gmail.com/GajimC39E3508) has left the room (offline) [19:26:57] Maybe we could do them as the odd blog post or something, and once we've got enough articles, make tech pages from them. [19:27:08] Instead of what we have now, which just looks incomplete. [19:27:14] why not, but who'll write articles? [19:27:42] Well, that's kinda what I was saying...so if no-one writes the articles, at least we don't have empty pages on the site - and if someone does write the articles, great. [19:27:46] well, the wiki pages are a draft, the real ones are here http://xmpp.org/tech/ [19:27:58] I like the idea of more frequent blog posts -- that is more interesting and dynamic than some static pages [19:28:27] stpeter: so do I, but some poor sod has to write them. I seem to remember writing about XMPP once, and it was hard work ;) [19:28:34] I like dynamic things to... but again, same question: who writes? [19:29:01] Kev: oh, *that* writing [19:29:08] anyway, we need those static pages [19:29:19] N?co: do we? I'm just wondering :) [19:29:25] what is the purpose of the tech pages? [19:29:32] I liked the idea at the time [19:29:33] Couldn't we replace them all with a link to TDG? :) [19:29:38] but now I'm thinking [19:29:48] you have written them, you've asked revisions, I let you answer ;-) [19:30:00] the idea was to provide more developer-friendly information than the specs [19:30:35] has anyone asked the current membership if they find the current pages useful - are they meeting the need they were designed to address? [19:30:41] and I still think that's a valuable idea, but I'm not sure of the best way to do it because it's a lot of work to make something that is really useful, and perhaps various blog posts would be just as helpful to new developers [19:30:50] Will: good question! [19:31:12] Will: no, we have not done that [19:31:29] then lets ask [19:31:32] Sounds like marketing to me...*grumble* [19:31:39] Kev: you're fired [19:31:43] N?co: I don't want us to make a commitment about creating a new or better section of the site unless we think it will be really useful [19:31:46] when I browse wikis of local XMPP communities, like spanish, french, czech/polish/slovak, russian... I see a lot of small interesting pages [19:32:00] N?co: right [19:32:09] I belive they are useful [19:32:42] so we could make more use of the wiki and keep the main site for core info (specs/schemas/registries) and dynamic stuff (blog posts etc.) [19:33:05] what I thought [19:33:15] move tech pages to wiki, let people contrib [19:33:29] less burden on the wordpress migration [19:33:39] yeah [19:33:49] plus, wiki is easier to edit and work on together [19:33:57] ok [19:34:04] yes, wordpress gets cumbersome with too many pages [19:34:07] let's move tech pages to wiki? [19:34:27] with an overview on the main site [19:34:51] and a link to these pages on the wiki [19:35:01] who's for it? [19:35:04] N?co: I think that's a good way to proceed -- I've been thinking we might want to do the same (move to wiki) for the software pages, too [19:35:16] because right now it's not easy to maintain those pages [19:35:27] *** jprieur (johann.prieur at talkr.im/Gajim) has joined the room as a participant [19:35:27] tech pages on the wiki could evolve the way contributions come [19:35:33] agre also [19:35:35] i think you'll find the new ones are a lot easier [19:35:45] Will: new ones = ? [19:35:48] hi jprieur [19:35:50] stpeter: there is a counterpoint to that (the software pages), which is that we'll have to be a little careful that people don't get into the old "My software's better than yours" challenges. [19:35:54] hi there [19:36:01] Kev: yes there is that [19:36:16] stpeter: software pages [19:36:32] well, w can create a category "my soft is better than yours" [19:36:44] N?co: I like that idea. [19:36:51] mee to [19:36:51] ok ;-) [19:36:57] BTW Florian and I have been talking about moving http://xmpp.org/services/ back to xmpp.net too -- making that a hub for operators (sorry, OT) [19:37:05] heh [19:37:14] well, is xmpp.net needed anymore? [19:37:36] we have jabber.org, xmpp.org, xmpp.net: it's a mess, it's unreadable [19:37:53] N?co: agree - at very least it's confusing [19:37:54] let's well... hum... federate those sites mote [19:38:04] I think just mirroring xmpp.net and xmpp.org might not be stupid. [19:38:14] well jabber.org is currently only for the jabber.org IM service (but...) [19:38:26] Right, and I think that's sensible. [19:38:37] sure, we could do the operator stuff at xmpp.org -- I think you're right that it is confusing [19:38:53] ok for the jabber.org IM, and xmpp.org the rest, but what about xmpp.net? how does it justify? [19:39:13] N?co: you're right [19:39:32] we should just redirect xmpp.net to the blog post about shutting down the ICA [19:39:43] yes, agree [19:39:47] Or just redirect it to xmpp.org, maybe. [19:39:54] or that, sure [19:39:57] ok [19:40:33] ok [19:40:57] so, what have we decided? 1. tech pages to the wiki 2. software pages to the wiki, too, or stay at xmpp.org? 3. redirect xmpp.net to xmpp.org 4. other? [19:41:16] 1. move, yes [19:41:26] 2 don't know what's best yet [19:41:27] 2. i think s/w pages should stay at xmpp.org [19:41:31] 3 ok [19:41:51] 2. if keep at xmpp.org we need a better process for adding software (instead of "ping stpeter") [19:41:56] 1) Seems reasonable 2) I see no compelling need 3) Or similar. 4) Profit. [19:42:07] stpeter: agree - "ping Kev" [19:42:10] haha [19:42:26] If we update our VCS to something a bit more convenient, I don't mind being a contact point for that. [19:42:37] seriously though, if a number of people have access rights .... problem solved? [19:42:38] The only reason I keep away from the web stuff atm is that svn makes my life hard :) [19:42:54] Kev: hmm [19:43:31] it's not clear to me how the pages are being served / created now -- is this content in WordPress or does WordPress create a shell around stuff from Subversion? [19:43:45] ok... edited here: http://etherpad.com/6XSj4kfnAK please edit also [19:43:57] it seems easier to do some things in WordPress [19:44:06] Oh, I was assuming all the static content would still be version controlled. [19:44:16] Going from VCS to "Oh, hey, boom" seems a pretty bad idea. [19:44:30] *** Guillaume is now away ( (Absent(e) car inactif depuis plus de 5 min)) [19:44:34] for the software pages, maybe we should wait for WordPress on stage? and try stuff here? [19:45:09] i think so, yes [19:45:15] I have another meeting in 15 minutes, FWIW [19:45:48] The Commteam chair obviously has a longer attention span than the Council chair :) [19:45:49] you can multitaks, right? [19:46:09] ok, next point [19:46:18] 3) Podcasts [19:46:20] *** Guillaume is now online [19:46:35] I got 4 to 5 of them, didn't have time to fullfill my mission [19:46:47] will go on via that thing we call Jingle [19:46:53] N?co: that's 4 or 5 more than we've had before :) [19:46:55] anything to ad? [19:46:56] 4/5 is good! [19:47:04] ok ;-) [19:47:07] The fifth guy must have been a real loser. [19:47:16] heh [19:47:44] 4) Contribution [19:47:51] Kev: that's your agenda item [19:48:27] Only that I was going to suggest that people join in helping, because N?co seems to be doing a significant proportion of the content himself, with Will seemingly singlehandedly doing the new site. [19:48:38] ...and I'll try to do stuff too. [19:48:49] i'm not good at delegating :-( [19:49:02] obsessive/compulsive [19:49:13] that's ok for me, and I got help from people I ask [19:49:14] Will: but now that the framework is in place it should be easier for people to contribute [19:49:18] so no pb for me [19:49:22] stpeter: yes [19:49:26] and yes, I still need to help Will ;-) [19:49:40] e.g., IMHO the Council members should post about XEPs of interest [19:49:48] N?co: we also need to get more people than just you doing content [19:49:56] Will: agreed [19:50:11] stpeter: from a purely selfish PoV, I'd like XSF members who don't do anything to be doing stuff, instead of Council having more responsibilities. [19:50:30] Kev: quite possibly [19:50:54] we also need to start work, go somewhere, and point people to what's to be done... or else, people joining in don't know where to start [19:51:03] N?co: very true. [19:51:35] ok? next point? 5) Blog posting [19:52:57] I don't have anything to say about that :) [19:53:07] beuh... etherpad is down? [19:53:10] Yep. [19:53:14] Or, is for me anyway. [19:53:22] for me, too [19:53:25] me too [19:53:27] back [19:53:41] if it was xmpp based..... [19:53:42] argh, lost my latest edits [19:53:55] *** fritzy has left the room [19:54:07] http://etherpad.com/6XSj4kfnAK [19:54:25] Will: I don't know what it would be then :) [19:54:44] 5) Blog posting * need more frequent posting * e.g., Council members to post about new/advanced XEPs [19:55:09] What sort of thing are we looking at Council (which I suspect means me) posting? [19:55:11] I need help on this one: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Roundup/Specifications to be posted asap [19:55:28] Yeah, I'll go through and check that tomorrow. [19:55:38] Kev: "we just completed some cool pubsub revisions" or "we just published Jingle Nodes, it looks promising" [19:55:45] Kev: I can help with those [19:55:47] well, stuf about its roles: xeps, and hum... oh yeah, xeps? [19:55:54] Ok. [19:56:06] I think the main thing is that these posts don't need to be huge [19:56:11] btw, I'm drafting blog posts on the wiki, do you wanna do so? [19:56:12] one paragraph is fine I think [19:56:32] I'll sort myself out with blog access, if I don't have it, and start doing that. [19:56:46] well, i do not agree: one paragraph is reserved to microblogging... blogs need two or three [19:57:01] N?co: I write long paragraphs :) [19:57:04] Kev: you can draft on the wiki, I can post on the bblog [19:57:14] But I want my name in lights! [19:57:22] *stpeter notes that WordPress is a CMS :) [19:57:34] this way? *Kev* [19:57:35] right, we give people credit for posting -- that's part of the idea [19:57:45] N?co: Pretty much. [19:57:59] In any case - we can just as easily draft stuff on wordpress as we can on the wiki, I think? [19:58:06] yes [19:58:22] ok, so please review http://etherpad.com/6XSj4kfnAK so that we can post the minutes right away [19:58:34] we should be able to write draft posts, ask someone to review if necessary (I'm not convinced it really is -- we trust people to do the right thing), and then post [19:58:50] review is always a good idea [19:59:13] especially for writers like me (non mother tongue) [19:59:29] N?co: yes that is more difficult [19:59:29] next meeting? [19:59:30] I'm happy with the minutes. [19:59:42] we need jabberpad :) [19:59:43] even native English speakers need a fresh pair of eyes to search for typos [19:59:52] tuesday in two weeks? [19:59:54] Will: posts can be edited after the fact :) [20:00:00] N?co: works for me [20:01:04] I'll be ostensibly on holiday, but I expect I'll be here. [20:01:08] etherpad minutes look fine to me [20:01:18] ok for everybody for today? [20:01:23] Yes ta. [20:01:30] this was good [20:01:31] yep [20:01:33] thanks, N?co! [20:01:38] well, thanks everybody! [20:01:42] and it was good to meet you in Brussels :) [20:01:57] yeah me too ;-) [20:02:20] Kev: I would be happy to write some blog posts about incoming XEPs (once the Council decides to finish its deliberations) [20:03:09] stpeter: with your recently discovered free time excess? :) [20:03:15] Kev: :P [20:03:18] And yes, meeting people was good. [20:03:32] in fact I am about to become insanely busy [20:04:15] I'm about to become AFK. BBL. [20:04:19] *** Kev is now xa [20:04:20] ok [20:04:21] bye :) [20:04:30] bye all [20:04:33] and bye from me too [20:04:49] N?co: using etherpad is a good idea [20:04:56] *** Will has left the room [20:04:57] we should do that for Council meetings, too [20:05:36] yes, defenitely [20:05:48] far easier to invite then GDocs or Wave [20:05:56] yeah [20:06:20] a nice, lightweight app -- no frills, easy to use [20:06:31] but... we have to contribute code, so that Etherpad is federated, non-anonymous, secure... do you have an idea for a protocol? -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 13:15:38 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:15:38 +0100 Subject: [Members] Small wiki cleanups Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002161115l6db9d6b3y5c9cbc14935a419@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Since some categories had only 1 member page, I've made a little cleanup: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Special:Categories * Categories removed: Jabber.org Relaunch JEP Community event Membership applications October 2006 Review Needed Now there is only categories with at least 2 members. I have also removed the "Jep" template, since it had been copied in "XEP": http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Template:XEP Can I remove the Polish category and its members? http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Category:Language:Polish -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From gnauck at ag-software.de Wed Feb 17 02:58:36 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:36 +0100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002160722p147645d3o633e4a8698167d76@mail.gmail.com> References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002160722p147645d3o633e4a8698167d76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 16:22, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > Why would we need an alternative to our wiki? If there are real needs, > maybe we could address them with the existing wiki. Please list theme > here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Wiki_requirements > > Whatever the alternative wiki, which we eventually would chose with > much endless and exhausting geeks discussions, we have no guarantee > this would fill better our understood/said/written needs and/or > requirements (getting more contributions may not be forcefully one of > those). Changing again and again our tools and websites is definitely > not the way to go, especially proprietary software, with a migration > path in, but not out (supposing the way in has not trouble). Apart > from that consideration, everybody knows Wikipedia thus Mediawiki, the > other two mentionned in this thread are only know by elite, if not > niche users, and that would be a huge barrier to contributions. If > people are considering helping an supposed wiki migration, why not > considering contributing to the existing one? Mediawiki works for Wikipedia, because all you do is enter a search term in the search box and find your content. IMHO the page is very different than our Wiki. I think our Wiki should be for members and end users. My understanding was that we don't put all content on the new xmpp.org page. Maybe Will can comment on which content should be there. If a end users doesn't know the specific term he is looking for, then he's unable to locate the content on our unstructured Wiki. We could discuss this in our meeting today in other business. Alex From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:10:03 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:10:03 +0100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002160722p147645d3o633e4a8698167d76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002171010u48c728bx4bc74238a26ff15b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:58, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 16:22, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >> Why would we need an alternative to our wiki? If there are real needs, >> maybe we could address them with the existing wiki. Please list theme >> here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Wiki_requirements >> >> Whatever the alternative wiki, which we eventually would chose with >> much endless and exhausting geeks discussions, we have no guarantee >> this would fill better our understood/said/written needs and/or >> requirements (getting more contributions may not be forcefully one of >> those). Changing again and again our tools and websites is definitely >> not the way to go, especially proprietary software, with a migration >> path in, but not out (supposing the way in has not trouble). Apart >> from that consideration, everybody knows Wikipedia thus Mediawiki, the >> other two mentionned in this thread are only know by elite, if not >> niche users, and that would be a huge barrier to contributions. If >> people are considering helping an supposed wiki migration, why not >> considering contributing to the existing one? > > Mediawiki works for Wikipedia, because all you do is enter a search > term in the search box and find your content. If it exists. > IMHO the page is very > different than our Wiki. I think our Wiki should be for members and > end users. I mostly agree on that, since I haven't identified other uses. > My understanding was that we don't put all content on the > new xmpp.org page. Maybe Will can comment on which content should be > there. The question is how to split, yes. > If a end users doesn't know the specific term he is looking for, then > he's unable to locate the content on our unstructured Wiki. Because there ain't no content on that? For example, on JabberFR, we have created a page for almost all features XMPP has (and synonyms as redirects), not all of them being XMPP-specific. http://wiki.jabberfr.org/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Fonctionnalit%C3%A9_Jabber There's also the glossary page for the shorter content, for fast reading through: http://wiki.jabberfr.org/Glossaire > We could discuss this in our meeting today in other business. OK! I think what we mostly need on our wiki and site is... content. -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 17 12:42:57 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:42:57 -0700 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance Message-ID: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> One of my long-time responsibilities has been maintenance of existing XEPs (and schemas and registries and so on). This takes a lot of my time, and I will soon have a lot less time because I have been named Applications Area Director (with XSF member Alexey Melnikov) at the IETF. Therefore I think we need a better process for XEP revisions. And by "better" I mean something other than "stpeter will fix the spec". Currently my process is that I print out a XEP, mark it up on paper, and key in edits. This worked fine in the old days but now we have a lot of specs, so I simply don't have time to make all the edits myself. We could use the technical review team to review specs in more detail (as we've started to do with XEP-0045), but I think we'll need more people to complete the edits in the XEP files themselves. This means we'll need a real style guide and some principles of protocol design and a better editorial team and even more reviews because until now everyone has mostly trusted me to do the right thing (fix up language issues, correct examples and schemas, know when to bump namespace versions, etc. etc.) with oversight from the Council and good insight into the actual changes I've made via source control diffs. Anyway, I just wanted to raise the issue for now. As a first step I'll call a meeting of the technical review team (which currently doesn't even have a team lead) so that we can discuss this more seriously. Thanks! Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From gnauck at ag-software.de Wed Feb 17 12:43:36 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:43:36 +0100 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002171010u48c728bx4bc74238a26ff15b@mail.gmail.com> References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002160722p147645d3o633e4a8698167d76@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002171010u48c728bx4bc74238a26ff15b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7C38D8.9070808@ag-software.de> Am 17.02.2010 19:10, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > I think what we mostly need on our wiki and site is... content. and navigation to locate the content. Alex From bear42 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:51:06 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:51:06 -0500 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> Message-ID: are you interested in trying to use something like Crucible (an Atlassian product that enables code reviews) for this? I thought about it last night - each XEP would be in the code repository and edits would get commited and then the reviewers would use Crucible to markup and comment on the changes - once approved the XEP would then be tagged to represent the current version. too complex? am I sniffing my cat's litter box and my brain is fried? too simple? thanks, On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 13:42, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > One of my long-time responsibilities has been maintenance of existing > XEPs (and schemas and registries and so on). This takes a lot of my > time, and I will soon have a lot less time because I have been named > Applications Area Director (with XSF member Alexey Melnikov) at the > IETF. Therefore I think we need a better process for XEP revisions. And > by "better" I mean something other than "stpeter will fix the spec". > > Currently my process is that I print out a XEP, mark it up on paper, and > key in edits. This worked fine in the old days but now we have a lot of > specs, so I simply don't have time to make all the edits myself. We > could use the technical review team to review specs in more detail (as > we've started to do with XEP-0045), but I think we'll need more people > to complete the edits in the XEP files themselves. This means we'll need > a real style guide and some principles of protocol design and a better > editorial team and even more reviews because until now everyone has > mostly trusted me to do the right thing (fix up language issues, correct > examples and schemas, know when to bump namespace versions, etc. etc.) > with oversight from the Council and good insight into the actual changes > I've made via source control diffs. > > Anyway, I just wanted to raise the issue for now. As a first step I'll > call a meeting of the technical review team (which currently doesn't > even have a team lead) so that we can discuss this more seriously. > > Thanks! > > Peter > > -- > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ > > > > -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From mwild1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 13:10:18 2010 From: mwild1 at gmail.com (Matthew Wild) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:10:18 +0000 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> On 17 February 2010 18:51, bear wrote: > are you interested in trying to use something like Crucible (an > Atlassian product that enables code reviews) for this? > > I thought about it last night - each XEP would be in the code > repository and edits would get commited and then the reviewers would > use Crucible to markup and comment on the changes - once approved the > XEP would then be tagged to represent the current version. > > too complex? It feels too much like cathedral building to me. I have also never been a fan of Crucible, Fisheye, or well any of the Atlassian products with (in my opinion) over-complicated UIs. But this is just me, and I'm curious to know what other people think too. Matthew (forgiving you for top-posting) From peter at retep.org.uk Wed Feb 17 13:23:55 2010 From: peter at retep.org.uk (Peter Mount) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:23:55 +0000 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85bf933e1002171123s2959c971ve1daa991aaf7a9a9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: > On 17 February 2010 18:51, bear wrote: > > are you interested in trying to use something like Crucible (an > > Atlassian product that enables code reviews) for this? > > > > I thought about it last night - each XEP would be in the code > > repository and edits would get commited and then the reviewers would > > use Crucible to markup and comment on the changes - once approved the > > XEP would then be tagged to represent the current version. > > > > too complex? > > It feels too much like cathedral building to me. I have also never > been a fan of Crucible, Fisheye, or well any of the Atlassian products > with (in my opinion) over-complicated UIs. > > But this is just me, and I'm curious to know what other people think too. > > Matthew (forgiving you for top-posting) > Other than Jira I'm of the same opinion as you. Also I'm wondering how would it work along side the existing mailing lists? With most products of this type, they are not exactly search engine friendly. Peter -- Peter Mount e: peter at retep.org.uk w: http://retep.org xmpp:peter at retep.org MSN: retep207 at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zooldk at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 13:25:23 2010 From: zooldk at gmail.com (Steffen Larsen) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:25:23 +0100 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> Message-ID: Hi, That was actually the same idea I had when I wrote the email around our wiki.. To use Crucible and JIRA.. Its not complicated at all.. I use it every day, but I think that new user will find it easy as well. Code reviews are really good, especially when we can integrate it in our process of a XEP life-cycle. Its easier to assign people to specific XEPs and put impediments etc. on the issues. I know its all about the process.. But good software to support the process is important too. :-) -Just my 5 cent! /Steffen On Feb 17, 2010, at 7:51 PM, bear wrote: > are you interested in trying to use something like Crucible (an > Atlassian product that enables code reviews) for this? > > I thought about it last night - each XEP would be in the code > repository and edits would get commited and then the reviewers would > use Crucible to markup and comment on the changes - once approved the > XEP would then be tagged to represent the current version. > > too complex? > am I sniffing my cat's litter box and my brain is fried? > too simple? > > > thanks, > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 13:42, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: >> One of my long-time responsibilities has been maintenance of existing >> XEPs (and schemas and registries and so on). This takes a lot of my >> time, and I will soon have a lot less time because I have been named >> Applications Area Director (with XSF member Alexey Melnikov) at the >> IETF. Therefore I think we need a better process for XEP revisions. >> And >> by "better" I mean something other than "stpeter will fix the spec". >> >> Currently my process is that I print out a XEP, mark it up on >> paper, and >> key in edits. This worked fine in the old days but now we have a >> lot of >> specs, so I simply don't have time to make all the edits myself. We >> could use the technical review team to review specs in more detail >> (as >> we've started to do with XEP-0045), but I think we'll need more >> people >> to complete the edits in the XEP files themselves. This means we'll >> need >> a real style guide and some principles of protocol design and a >> better >> editorial team and even more reviews because until now everyone has >> mostly trusted me to do the right thing (fix up language issues, >> correct >> examples and schemas, know when to bump namespace versions, etc. >> etc.) >> with oversight from the Council and good insight into the actual >> changes >> I've made via source control diffs. >> >> Anyway, I just wanted to raise the issue for now. As a first step >> I'll >> call a meeting of the technical review team (which currently doesn't >> even have a team lead) so that we can discuss this more seriously. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> Peter Saint-Andre >> https://stpeter.im/ >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Bear > > bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) > bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) > http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) > > PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have also never > been a fan of Crucible, Fisheye, or well any of the Atlassian products > with (in my opinion) over-complicated UIs. > > But this is just me, and I'm curious to know what other people think too. I'm curious to know why every conversation quickly becomes a discussion about tools. :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade From mwild1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 14:23:12 2010 From: mwild1 at gmail.com (Matthew Wild) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:23:12 +0000 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: <4B7C4DD5.20407@stpeter.im> References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4DD5.20407@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <4db9cacb1002171223h2fd428d4gcc0b4c84ec795e74@mail.gmail.com> On 17 February 2010 20:13, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 2/17/10 12:10 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: >> On 17 February 2010 18:51, bear wrote: >>> are you interested in trying to use something like Crucible (an >>> Atlassian product that enables code reviews) for this? >>> >>> I thought about it last night - each XEP would be in the code >>> repository and edits would get commited and then the reviewers would >>> use Crucible to markup and comment on the changes - once approved the >>> XEP would then be tagged to represent the current version. >>> >>> too complex? >> >> It feels too much like cathedral building to me. I have also never >> been a fan of Crucible, Fisheye, or well any of the Atlassian products >> with (in my opinion) over-complicated UIs. >> >> But this is just me, and I'm curious to know what other people think too. > > I'm curious to know why every conversation quickly becomes a discussion > about tools. :) > We're a fussy lot. I'll use whatever is there and I won't complain if it works, I promise. I just don't have good experiences, that's all. Then there's this whole open-source vs commercial thing, but I won't even go there :) Matthew From bear42 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 14:54:04 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:54:04 -0500 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: <4db9cacb1002171223h2fd428d4gcc0b4c84ec795e74@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4DD5.20407@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171223h2fd428d4gcc0b4c84ec795e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just wanted to bring up the idea - not worried if people want to keep it human centric. I use Crucible every day and it helps keep the tedium and drudgery out of code review and thought it would make a good process. Maybe I need to be more active in XEP maintainence in order to see if it really is a good fit - after all, you can't automate something if you don't know how it works :) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 15:23, Matthew Wild wrote: > On 17 February 2010 20:13, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 2/17/10 12:10 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: >>> On 17 February 2010 18:51, bear wrote: >>>> are you interested in trying to use something like Crucible (an >>>> Atlassian product that enables code reviews) for this? >>>> >>>> I thought about it last night - each XEP would be in the code >>>> repository and edits would get commited and then the reviewers would >>>> use Crucible to markup and comment on the changes - once approved the >>>> XEP would then be tagged to represent the current version. >>>> >>>> too complex? >>> >>> It feels too much like cathedral building to me. I have also never >>> been a fan of Crucible, Fisheye, or well any of the Atlassian products >>> with (in my opinion) over-complicated UIs. >>> >>> But this is just me, and I'm curious to know what other people think too. >> >> I'm curious to know why every conversation quickly becomes a discussion >> about tools. :) >> > > We're a fussy lot. > > I'll use whatever is there and I won't complain if it works, I > promise. I just don't have good experiences, that's all. Then there's > this whole open-source vs commercial thing, but I won't even go there > :) > > Matthew > -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From jsf at edwinm.ik.nu Wed Feb 17 14:57:59 2010 From: jsf at edwinm.ik.nu (Edwin Mons) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:57:59 +0100 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: <14781.1266437823.931486@puncture> References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4DD5.20407@stpeter.im> <14781.1266437823.931486@puncture> Message-ID: Op 17 feb 2010, om 21:17 heeft Dave Cridland het volgende geschreven: > On Wed Feb 17 20:13:09 2010, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> I'm curious to know why every conversation quickly becomes a discussion >> about tools. :) > > Yes, we should put in place some kind of tool to stop that. Add a tool to prevent top-posting to the list of tools we need. It's really annoying when you try to follow the discussions, especially when it's mixed with other styles. Groetjes, Edwin From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 17 14:59:59 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:59:59 -0700 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4DD5.20407@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171223h2fd428d4gcc0b4c84ec795e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7C58CF.4080205@stpeter.im> On 2/17/10 1:54 PM, bear wrote: > I just wanted to bring up the idea - not worried if people want to > keep it human centric. > > I use Crucible every day and it helps keep the tedium and drudgery out > of code review and thought it would make a good process. > > Maybe I need to be more active in XEP maintainence in order to see if > it really is a good fit - after all, you can't automate something if > you don't know how it works :) True. The problem is that XEP maintenance has basically been in my head. That's not sustainable and has an undesirable bus factor. I'm fine with the Atlassian suite as a tool. At this point I'm more concerned about the process and mentoring people to take over some of what I do. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From dave at cridland.net Wed Feb 17 15:08:41 2010 From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:08:41 +0000 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4DD5.20407@stpeter.im> <14781.1266437823.931486@puncture> Message-ID: <14781.1266440921.733363@puncture> So true. On Wed Feb 17 20:57:59 2010, Edwin Mons wrote: > Op 17 feb 2010, om 21:17 heeft Dave Cridland het volgende > geschreven: > > > On Wed Feb 17 20:13:09 2010, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> I'm curious to know why every conversation quickly becomes a > discussion > >> about tools. :) > > > > Yes, we should put in place some kind of tool to stop that. > > > Add a tool to prevent top-posting to the list of tools we need. > It's really annoying when you try to follow the discussions, > especially when it's mixed with other styles. > > Groetjes, > Edwin > > > > -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade From zooldk at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:10:21 2010 From: zooldk at gmail.com (Steffen Larsen) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:10:21 +0100 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4DD5.20407@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171223h2fd428d4gcc0b4c84ec795e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi!, On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:54 PM, bear wrote: > I just wanted to bring up the idea - not worried if people want to > keep it human centric. > > I use Crucible every day and it helps keep the tedium and drudgery out > of code review and thought it would make a good process. Me too.. I am really not trying to dictate anything, just to give out some of my experience with a review process, that I am used to. > > Maybe I need to be more active in XEP maintainence in order to see if > it really is a good fit - after all, you can't automate something if > you don't know how it works :) I do agree about that one. :-) -Cheers! /Steffen > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 15:23, Matthew Wild wrote: >> On 17 February 2010 20:13, Peter Saint-Andre >> wrote: >>> On 2/17/10 12:10 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: >>>> On 17 February 2010 18:51, bear wrote: >>>>> are you interested in trying to use something like Crucible (an >>>>> Atlassian product that enables code reviews) for this? >>>>> >>>>> I thought about it last night - each XEP would be in the code >>>>> repository and edits would get commited and then the reviewers >>>>> would >>>>> use Crucible to markup and comment on the changes - once >>>>> approved the >>>>> XEP would then be tagged to represent the current version. >>>>> >>>>> too complex? >>>> >>>> It feels too much like cathedral building to me. I have also never >>>> been a fan of Crucible, Fisheye, or well any of the Atlassian >>>> products >>>> with (in my opinion) over-complicated UIs. >>>> >>>> But this is just me, and I'm curious to know what other people >>>> think too. >>> >>> I'm curious to know why every conversation quickly becomes a >>> discussion >>> about tools. :) >>> >> >> We're a fussy lot. >> >> I'll use whatever is there and I won't complain if it works, I >> promise. I just don't have good experiences, that's all. Then there's >> this whole open-source vs commercial thing, but I won't even go there >> :) >> >> Matthew >> > > > > -- > Bear > > bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) > bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) > http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) > > PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At this point I'm more > concerned about the process and mentoring people to take over some of > what I do. > Well why not organise a meeting for the review team as you originally said as a starter? I've been busy with deadlines and moving source repo's around but should start to become free again from next week. Peter -- Peter Mount e: peter at retep.org.uk w: http://retep.org xmpp:peter at retep.org MSN: retep207 at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At this point I'm more > concerned about the process and mentoring people to take over some of > what I do. > > Well why not organise a meeting for the review team as you > originally said as a starter? +1 ... We need to get to work. I would like to contribute more. :-) > > I've been busy with deadlines and moving source repo's around but > should start to become free again from next week. > > Peter > > -- > Peter Mount > e: peter at retep.org.uk > w: http://retep.org > xmpp:peter at retep.org > MSN: retep207 at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to introduce yourself and volunteer for one of our teams * technical * review * communications * infrastructure (i think this team is full) Alex From tmarkmann at googlemail.com Wed Feb 17 15:33:27 2010 From: tmarkmann at googlemail.com (Tobias Markmann) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:33:27 +0100 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <4D177C38-DDBC-4FAE-948C-D3C38112860E@googlemail.com> On 17.02.2010, at 19:42, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > This means we'll need > a real style guide and some principles of protocol design Isn't that supposed to be covered by http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0143.html and http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0134.html ? I've been meaning to make some changes to XEP-0143 to bring it up to the latest changes of our publishing process. Like don't use tables for glossary and keeping in mind not to put too much text into tables since tables aren't good at this. 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Which might get busy soon if it takes over XEP maintenance from me! > * communications Help always appreciated there. > * infrastructure (i think this team is full) Full -- unless you volunteer to write a new memberbot. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which might get busy soon if it > takes over XEP maintenance from me! > >> * communications Is this communications as in PR/marketing communications or bits and bytes? > > Help always appreciated there. > >> * infrastructure (i think this team is full) > > Full -- unless you volunteer to write a new memberbot. :) > > Peter > > -- > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ > > David Banes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:06:47 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:06:47 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <468ED36D-9FFE-403B-B9C2-133C0BC85172@cleartext.com> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> <4B7C6765.4000905@stpeter.im> <468ED36D-9FFE-403B-B9C2-133C0BC85172@cleartext.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002171406h3a849025o515d74f0cdf24b71@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 23:04, David Banes wrote: >>> * communications > > Is this communications ?as in PR/marketing communications No! > or bits and bytes? What's that? It's communication at large! Welcome new members! ;-) -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 17 16:08:49 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:08:49 -0700 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002171406h3a849025o515d74f0cdf24b71@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> <4B7C6765.4000905@stpeter.im> <468ED36D-9FFE-403B-B9C2-133C0BC85172@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002171406h3a849025o515d74f0cdf24b71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7C68F1.9080001@stpeter.im> On 2/17/10 3:06 PM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 23:04, David Banes wrote: >>>> * communications >> >> Is this communications as in PR/marketing communications > > No! Yes? >> or bits and bytes? > > What's that? > > It's communication at large! It's the website, wiki, podcats, blog, white papers, etc. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From johann.prieur at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:18:58 2010 From: johann.prieur at gmail.com (Johann Prieur) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:18:58 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> Message-ID: <3fd4e69c1002171418n5a70fdaq32aa3f6305bcdac2@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > the voting results and meeting agenda is here: > http://xmpp.org/xsf/members/meetings/2010-02-17.shtml > > all new and returning members were accepted. > > Welcome to all new members. Feel free to introduce yourself and > volunteer for one of our teams > > * technical > * review > * communications > * infrastructure (i think this team is full) > Hi, I'm volunteering for the communications team and I'm very pleased to join you all into making the world a better XMPP place! Johann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbanes at cleartext.com Wed Feb 17 17:02:13 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:02:13 +1100 Subject: [Members] Hello & thanks.. Message-ID: <0ACB5035-AB6C-438E-9B22-130147F4D934@cleartext.com> Hi XSF Members, Hello and thanks to those that voted for me, it's nice to be 'official' now :) regards, David. David Banes Director & CEO, Cleartext Director & Secretary, Internet Industry Association em: dbanes at cleartext.com | web: www.cleartext.com | Twitter: @cleartext AU: land +61 2 8001 2601 | mob +61 411 747 821 USA: +1 866 846 6779 | UK Call: +44 1628 675854 - Cleartext is Carbon Minimised - Cleartext ESM (Enterprise Social Messaging) now available. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dbanes at cleartext.com Wed Feb 17 17:16:36 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:16:36 +1100 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <4B7C68F1.9080001@stpeter.im> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> <4B7C6765.4000905@stpeter.im> <468ED36D-9FFE-403B-B9C2-133C0BC85172@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002171406h3a849025o515d74f0cdf24b71@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C68F1.9080001@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <3A577D76-E7FC-426C-B30E-85563F1E5DE9@cleartext.com> OK, here are a couple of articles I wrote... http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_NovDec_08_XMPP.pdf http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_MayJune_P5.pdf Where do we put them, who's on the team, what's the plan, how do I get on it etc? David. On 18/02/2010, at 9:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 2/17/10 3:06 PM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 23:04, David Banes wrote: >>>>> * communications >>> >>> Is this communications as in PR/marketing communications >> >> No! > > Yes? > >>> or bits and bytes? >> >> What's that? >> >> It's communication at large! > > It's the website, wiki, podcats, blog, white papers, etc. > > Peter > > -- > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 17 17:18:25 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:18:25 -0700 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <3A577D76-E7FC-426C-B30E-85563F1E5DE9@cleartext.com> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> <4B7C6765.4000905@stpeter.im> <468ED36D-9FFE-403B-B9C2-133C0BC85172@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002171406h3a849025o515d74f0cdf24b71@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C68F1.9080001@stpeter.im> <3A577D76-E7FC-426C-B30E-85563F1E5DE9@cleartext.com> Message-ID: <4B7C7941.4000709@stpeter.im> David, I manually added you to the commteam at xmpp.org list. On 2/17/10 4:16 PM, David Banes wrote: > OK, here are a couple of articles I wrote... > > http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_NovDec_08_XMPP.pdf > http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_MayJune_P5.pdf > > Where do we put them, who's on the team, what's the plan, how do I get on it etc? > > David. > > On 18/02/2010, at 9:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> On 2/17/10 3:06 PM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 23:04, David Banes wrote: >>>>>> * communications >>>> >>>> Is this communications as in PR/marketing communications >>> >>> No! >> >> Yes? >> >>>> or bits and bytes? >>> >>> What's that? >>> >>> It's communication at large! >> >> It's the website, wiki, podcats, blog, white papers, etc. >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> Peter Saint-Andre >> https://stpeter.im/ >> >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 17:26:48 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:26:48 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <3A577D76-E7FC-426C-B30E-85563F1E5DE9@cleartext.com> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> <4B7C6765.4000905@stpeter.im> <468ED36D-9FFE-403B-B9C2-133C0BC85172@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002171406h3a849025o515d74f0cdf24b71@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C68F1.9080001@stpeter.im> <3A577D76-E7FC-426C-B30E-85563F1E5DE9@cleartext.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002171526p498e1217ne1113f624a77cc17@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 00:16, David Banes wrote: > OK, here are a couple of articles I wrote... > > http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_NovDec_08_XMPP.pdf > http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_MayJune_P5.pdf > > Where do we put them, who's on the team, what's the plan, how do I get on it etc? Wow, wow, wow... ;-) > Where do we put them, The first was covered here: http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2009/02/xmpp-roundup-5/ Well, the second should have been covered here: http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2010/01/xmpp-roundup-13-articles-talks-and-events/ Sorry for having missed it... > who's on the team, http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam_targets#Team_members But still open. > what's the plan, how do I get on it etc? http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam_targets#Targets But bring your own ideas and contribs. Other possible questions: Next meeting? 2010-03-02 18:00 UTC/GMT http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html Where? xmpp:commteam at muc.xmpp.org?join Got more questions? ;-) > On 18/02/2010, at 9:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> On 2/17/10 3:06 PM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 23:04, David Banes wrote: >>>>>> * communications >>>> >>>> Is this communications ?as in PR/marketing communications >>> >>> No! >> >> Yes? >> >>>> or bits and bytes? >>> >>> What's that? >>> >>> It's communication at large! >> >> It's the website, wiki, podcats, blog, white papers, etc. >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> Peter Saint-Andre >> https://stpeter.im/ >> >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From dbanes at cleartext.com Wed Feb 17 17:54:06 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:54:06 +1100 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <4B7C7941.4000709@stpeter.im> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> <4B7C6765.4000905@stpeter.im> <468ED36D-9FFE-403B-B9C2-133C0BC85172@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002171406h3a849025o515d74f0cdf24b71@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C68F1.9080001@stpeter.im> <3A577D76-E7FC-426C-B30E-85563F1E5DE9@cleartext.com> <4B7C7941.4000709@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <4DA2AFCD-F259-41B8-AEB7-B898CD300C07@cleartext.com> Cool thnx. On 18/02/2010, at 10:18 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > David, I manually added you to the commteam at xmpp.org list. > > On 2/17/10 4:16 PM, David Banes wrote: >> OK, here are a couple of articles I wrote... >> >> http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_NovDec_08_XMPP.pdf >> http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_MayJune_P5.pdf >> >> Where do we put them, who's on the team, what's the plan, how do I get on it etc? >> >> David. >> >> On 18/02/2010, at 9:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> >>> On 2/17/10 3:06 PM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 23:04, David Banes wrote: >>>>>>> * communications >>>>> >>>>> Is this communications as in PR/marketing communications >>>> >>>> No! >>> >>> Yes? >>> >>>>> or bits and bytes? >>>> >>>> What's that? >>>> >>>> It's communication at large! >>> >>> It's the website, wiki, podcats, blog, white papers, etc. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> -- >>> Peter Saint-Andre >>> https://stpeter.im/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ > > > From dbanes at cleartext.com Wed Feb 17 17:56:22 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:56:22 +1100 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002171526p498e1217ne1113f624a77cc17@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> <4B7C6765.4000905@stpeter.im> <468ED36D-9FFE-403B-B9C2-133C0BC85172@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002171406h3a849025o515d74f0cdf24b71@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C68F1.9080001@stpeter.im> <3A577D76-E7FC-426C-B30E-85563F1E5DE9@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002171526p498e1217ne1113f624a77cc17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 18/02/2010, at 10:26 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 00:16, David Banes wrote: >> OK, here are a couple of articles I wrote... >> >> http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_NovDec_08_XMPP.pdf >> http://www.cleartext.com/downloads/IDM_MayJune_P5.pdf >> >> Where do we put them, who's on the team, what's the plan, how do I get on it etc? > > Wow, wow, wow... ;-) > >> Where do we put them, > > The first was covered here: > http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2009/02/xmpp-roundup-5/ > > Well, the second should have been covered here: > http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2010/01/xmpp-roundup-13-articles-talks-and-events/ > Sorry for having missed it... > >> who's on the team, > > http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam_targets#Team_members > But still open. > >> what's the plan, how do I get on it etc? > > http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam_targets#Targets > But bring your own ideas and contribs. > > > Other possible questions: > > Next meeting? > 2010-03-02 18:00 UTC/GMT > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html > > Where? > xmpp:commteam at muc.xmpp.org?join > > > Got more questions? ;-) No that covers it, I have more time now as it's my last day on the IIA (Internet Industry Association) thanks. > > >> On 18/02/2010, at 9:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> >>> On 2/17/10 3:06 PM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 23:04, David Banes wrote: >>>>>>> * communications >>>>> >>>>> Is this communications as in PR/marketing communications >>>> >>>> No! >>> >>> Yes? >>> >>>>> or bits and bytes? >>>> >>>> What's that? >>>> >>>> It's communication at large! >>> >>> It's the website, wiki, podcats, blog, white papers, etc. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> -- >>> Peter Saint-Andre >>> https://stpeter.im/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com > Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr > http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ > http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From ali.sabil at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 02:25:18 2010 From: ali.sabil at gmail.com (Ali Sabil) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:25:18 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> Message-ID: <6b4de4d81002180025y5f7abc22r7801acd748fb3f0a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > the voting results and meeting agenda is here: > http://xmpp.org/xsf/members/meetings/2010-02-17.shtml > > all new and returning members were accepted. > > Welcome to all new members. Feel free to introduce yourself and > volunteer for one of our teams > > * technical > * review > * communications > * infrastructure (i think this team is full) > > Alex > Hi All and thanks for accepting me in th XSF. I think I can give a hand in the "technical review" team. Ali From nstratford at voxeo.com Thu Feb 18 03:14:30 2010 From: nstratford at voxeo.com (Neil Stratford) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:14:30 +0000 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> Message-ID: <4B7D04F6.5030209@voxeo.com> On 17/02/2010 21:31, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > the voting results and meeting agenda is here: > http://xmpp.org/xsf/members/meetings/2010-02-17.shtml > > all new and returning members were accepted. > > Welcome to all new members. Feel free to introduce yourself and > volunteer for one of our teams > > * technical > * review > * communications > * infrastructure (i think this team is full) > > Alex Hi everyone - thanks for accepting me as a member. I'd like to volunteer for the technical review team if possible. Neil From florob at babelmonkeys.de Thu Feb 18 07:19:24 2010 From: florob at babelmonkeys.de (Florian Zeitz) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:19:24 +0100 Subject: [Members] voting results In-Reply-To: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> References: <4B7C603D.6010501@ag-software.de> Message-ID: <4B7D3E5C.7000303@babelmonkeys.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alexander Gnauck wrote: > the voting results and meeting agenda is here: > http://xmpp.org/xsf/members/meetings/2010-02-17.shtml > > all new and returning members were accepted. > > Welcome to all new members. Feel free to introduce yourself and > volunteer for one of our teams > > * technical > * review > * communications > * infrastructure (i think this team is full) > > Alex Hi everyone, first of all thanks to all who voted and some special thanks to those who voted for me ;) Thorough introduction ought not to be in order here as you hopefully all have read my application and/or met me in one or the other MUC. As already mentioned in my application I'd love to help out as part of the technical review team. - -- Florian Zeitz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkt9PlwACgkQ0JXcdjR+9YSosQCeJqRvZ0G8Sdd9wCUpoxsIhJKw 68gAoNR29UU0+Wqnh6+WPRw+6GVeimME =/yyG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From will at willsheward.co.uk Thu Feb 18 09:22:22 2010 From: will at willsheward.co.uk (Will Sheward) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:22:22 +0000 Subject: [Members] New Wiki? In-Reply-To: References: <920233F7-34B2-481A-84FC-0C733DCDE38F@gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002160722p147645d3o633e4a8698167d76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7D5B2E.90305@willsheward.co.uk> Alexander Gnauck wrote: > Mediawiki works for Wikipedia, because all you do is enter a search > term in the search box and find your content. IMHO the page is very > different than our Wiki. I think our Wiki should be for members and > end users. My understanding was that we don't put all content on the > new xmpp.org page. Maybe Will can comment on which content should be > there. The current plans for xmpp.org are that content down to the level of, for instance, the current Extensions page (http://xmpp.org/extensions/) will be on xmpp.org but that documents below that level (such as XEP-0001 - http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html) would not be maintained via the wordpress installation that we'll be using for the new site. There are a few reasons for this: 1: Maintaining a very large number of pages via WordPress would be a pain. 2: Pages at that level tend to be altered more frequently and/or maintained collaboratively by a larger number of users than the relatively static 'promotion' type pages at higher levels. 3: Material of that type seems suitable for presentation in as 'plain' a format as possible so that people can view it without any logo/image/sidebar etc distractions and/or print it out or save it for offline viewing. Before the wiki conversation started I has assumed that we'd keep things like the XEPs in their current format but sticking them on the wiki and having them referenced from the main site later on seems like a good idea to me. However, I agree with Nyco when he said that we have "a lot of things to do and consider before we spend/waste time on the choice of an alternate wiki". Tidying up the existing one, removing old content, deciding what it's there for, who should be contributing to it and motivating them to do so (addressing Peter's earlier point about new wiki software not necessarily making people more likely to contribute) comes first I think. Will. From stpeter at stpeter.im Sat Feb 20 22:04:16 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:04:16 -0700 Subject: [Members] XEP maintenance In-Reply-To: <85bf933e1002171311g6c61b317l26d8abecb30a4c71@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7C38B1.8000301@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171110s6a1a6742kc08c037b1c43a626@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4DD5.20407@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002171223h2fd428d4gcc0b4c84ec795e74@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C58CF.4080205@stpeter.im> <85bf933e1002171311g6c61b317l26d8abecb30a4c71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B80B0C0.1030702@stpeter.im> On 2/17/10 2:11 PM, Peter Mount wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: > > > The problem is that XEP maintenance has basically been in my head. > That's not sustainable and has an undesirable bus factor. > > > Yes those pesky #42 busses are a problem. > > > > I'm fine with the Atlassian suite as a tool. At this point I'm more > concerned about the process and mentoring people to take over some of > what I do. > > > Well why not organise a meeting for the review team as you originally > said as a starter? Done. I'll forward the meeting announcement. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Like don't use tables for glossary and keeping in > mind not to put too much text into tables since tables aren't good at > this. However this are all publishing issues and not the editorial, > content issues you addressed. I think that perhaps XEPs 143 and 134 don't provide enough details, but we'll work through that over time. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From jehan at zemarmot.net Mon Feb 22 09:50:44 2010 From: jehan at zemarmot.net (Jehan) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:50:44 +0100 Subject: [Members] Fwd: [TechReview] team meeting In-Reply-To: <4B80B16C.6040805@stpeter.im> References: <4B80B16C.6040805@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <75769060794017ac8d05c6f37f9987f5@localhost> Hi, I don't think I can be on this meeting, first because of time (it's around 2AM for me, which may be ok though), but in particular because my computer has problems (and that's not ok!). So I just wanted to give my insight on some stuffs which were said here: 1/ I am not fond of the Atlassian tools for my own, after using some in my previous job. I just used Jira (a lot, like every day) and Confluence a little. I thought they were over-complicated (as someone said on the list here), heavy as hell, and really it was a pain to use. It is my opinion on these two tools (but as a very big daily user for maybe a year). I don't know any other software from Atlassian, but if they are similar... 2/ Some propose to change the wiki softwares, and also some other softwares in the XEP review/maintenance process. The websites and the wiki have been switched from software to software again and again in the last years. I don't say that the current tools are the best right now. I have not much opinion on this. But do you really think that it is worth to change again? Maybe if the XSF members always think that the problem is the tool, then the problem is somewhere else. Tools are important, I agree on this, but they are not all, and changing them all the time is not a good idea, in my opinion. It means: a lot of work for the change itself, for moving data, for people to get used on the new tools. And then... all this work done... will these tools be finally the right ones? But in the end, if you really decide to change tool -- and maybe it is a good idea, I don't know -- really think this carefully and in a technical point of view, not in a "hype" commercial view, because this is a technical matter. In the end the people in the XEP maintenance and those modifying the wiki will have to use the tools. So be careful that this is these people (who will be the real users) who choose the tool. That's how we got stuck with the Atlassian tools in my previous job, with people advertising these tools just with slides better than I who tried to propose other tools (and I installed a server with these tools and making a technical demonstration how we can use this to improve our daily use as real users, etc. But hey! The slides with the nice screenshots and the "shock" advertising speach worked better...). That's it. Bye. Jehan On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:07:08 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > FYI. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [TechReview] team meeting > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:22:23 -0700 > From: Peter Saint-Andre > Reply-To: XSF Technical Review Team > To: XSF Technical Review Team > > I propose that we hold a team meeting next week. > > Date: Tuesday, February 23 > > Time: 18:00 UTC (that's 10:00 AM Pacific, 1:00 PM Eastern, 6:00 PM UK, > 7:00 PM Central European -- I think, check your local time against UTC) > > Location: xmpp:techreview at muc.xmpp.org?join > > Agenda > > * Agenda bashing > * Intros > * MUC review > * XEP process > * Team lead > * Any other business? > * Next meeting > > Does that sound good to the team? > > Peter -- Que la Sainte Marmotte soit avec moi! Pour me contacter: IM: jehan at zemarmot.net email: jehan at zemarmot.net http://jehan.zemarmot.net From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 11:45:38 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:45:38 +0100 Subject: [Members] Fwd: [Operators] Public XMPP Services list In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002220944x50a36b04vc1cbb1b71b6e429b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1266858853.4283.10.camel@smoku-desktop> <4B82BBBD.6010106@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220917s5cb15a6ev71a81cb3fcc26b14@mail.gmail.com> <4B82BFF1.9090006@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220944x50a36b04vc1cbb1b71b6e429b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002220945r26ad58bi90356b58d2046842@mail.gmail.com> Anyone to help? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nicolas V?rit? Date: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:44 Subject: Re: [Operators] Public XMPP Services list To: XMPP Operators Group On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:33, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 2/22/10 10:17 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:15, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> On 2/22/10 10:14 AM, Tomasz Sterna wrote: >>>> What is the usual update time of http://xmpp.org/services/ ? >>>> iee. How long would I wait for the submitted service to appear on this >>>> list? >>> >>> Forever. >> >> Bad answer... ;-) > > I've been doing this with Florian Thiessen. We might need more > assistance, because we're too slow. > >>> Who wants to help with this? >> >> What's the workload? > > We do this: > > http://xmpp.org/services/verify.shtml > > Given that we have only a few requests a month, the workload is not that > significant. If two other people do this with me, I'd be glad to take over. In order to be listed here: http://xmpp.org/services/ An operator should do the following: http://xmpp.org/services/register.shtml And then we should do this: http://xmpp.org/services/verify.shtml But then who commits back to: http://xmpp.org/services/ ? Btw, jabber.org needs a refresh, admins? -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ ?- http://qsos.org/ -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From dbanes at cleartext.com Mon Feb 22 17:01:36 2010 From: dbanes at cleartext.com (David Banes) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:01:36 +1100 Subject: [Members] Fwd: [Operators] Public XMPP Services list In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002220945r26ad58bi90356b58d2046842@mail.gmail.com> References: <1266858853.4283.10.camel@smoku-desktop> <4B82BBBD.6010106@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220917s5cb15a6ev71a81cb3fcc26b14@mail.gmail.com> <4B82BFF1.9090006@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220944x50a36b04vc1cbb1b71b6e429b@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002220945r26ad58bi90356b58d2046842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32274E3D-785C-4B7F-99A3-E91F3B998146@cleartext.com> On 23/02/2010, at 4:45 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > Anyone to help? > I can help with this - may even be able to automate some of it... :) David. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nicolas V?rit? > Date: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:44 > Subject: Re: [Operators] Public XMPP Services list > To: XMPP Operators Group > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:33, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 2/22/10 10:17 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:15, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>>> On 2/22/10 10:14 AM, Tomasz Sterna wrote: >>>>> What is the usual update time of http://xmpp.org/services/ ? >>>>> iee. How long would I wait for the submitted service to appear on this >>>>> list? >>>> >>>> Forever. >>> >>> Bad answer... ;-) >> >> I've been doing this with Florian Thiessen. We might need more >> assistance, because we're too slow. >> >>>> Who wants to help with this? >>> >>> What's the workload? >> >> We do this: >> >> http://xmpp.org/services/verify.shtml >> >> Given that we have only a few requests a month, the workload is not that >> significant. > > If two other people do this with me, I'd be glad to take over. > > In order to be listed here: http://xmpp.org/services/ > An operator should do the following: http://xmpp.org/services/register.shtml > And then we should do this: http://xmpp.org/services/verify.shtml > But then who commits back to: http://xmpp.org/services/ ? > > Btw, jabber.org needs a refresh, admins? > -- > Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com > Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr > http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ > http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ > > > > -- > Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com > Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr > http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ > http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Filtering by Cleartext a Carbon Minimised company - www.cleartext.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bear42 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 17:05:41 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:05:41 -0500 Subject: [Members] Fwd: [Operators] Public XMPP Services list In-Reply-To: <32274E3D-785C-4B7F-99A3-E91F3B998146@cleartext.com> References: <1266858853.4283.10.camel@smoku-desktop> <4B82BBBD.6010106@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220917s5cb15a6ev71a81cb3fcc26b14@mail.gmail.com> <4B82BFF1.9090006@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220944x50a36b04vc1cbb1b71b6e429b@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002220945r26ad58bi90356b58d2046842@mail.gmail.com> <32274E3D-785C-4B7F-99A3-E91F3B998146@cleartext.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:01, David Banes wrote: > On 23/02/2010, at 4:45 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > >> Anyone to help? >> > > I can help with this - may even be able to automate some of it... :) I'm also interested in helping automate a registry like setup for sites to do this -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 05:03:10 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:03:10 +0100 Subject: [Members] Fwd: [Operators] Public XMPP Services list In-Reply-To: References: <1266858853.4283.10.camel@smoku-desktop> <4B82BBBD.6010106@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220917s5cb15a6ev71a81cb3fcc26b14@mail.gmail.com> <4B82BFF1.9090006@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220944x50a36b04vc1cbb1b71b6e429b@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002220945r26ad58bi90356b58d2046842@mail.gmail.com> <32274E3D-785C-4B7F-99A3-E91F3B998146@cleartext.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002230303q26bce2ddy33033191a9222a1e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 00:05, bear wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:01, David Banes wrote: >> On 23/02/2010, at 4:45 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >> >>> Anyone to help? >> >> I can help with this - may even be able to automate some of it... :) > > I'm also interested in helping automate a registry like setup for > sites to do this Wow, even better! So Mitchell and Mike to code that? Any requirements? Constraints? What's the iTeam take on this? -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From peter at retep.org.uk Tue Feb 23 15:21:22 2010 From: peter at retep.org.uk (Peter Mount) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:21:22 +0000 Subject: [Members] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-23 In-Reply-To: <85bf933e1002231316m7b7f1f35k13b3501a22953443@mail.gmail.com> References: <85bf933e1002231316m7b7f1f35k13b3501a22953443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85bf933e1002231321v28cd1fep8511ff41a4158516@mail.gmail.com> FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Mount Date: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM Subject: Meeting minutes 2010-02-23 To: XSF Technical Review Team Agenda: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/techreview/2010-February/000050.html Log: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/techreview/2010-February/000077.html Scribe: Peter Mount * Roll Call Peter Saint-Andre, Kevin Smith, Fabio Forno, Safa Sofuo?lu, Luca Tagliaferri, Michael Grigutsch, Neil Stratford, and Peter Mount. Tuomas Koski joined later. * Agenda bashing No one added anything to the agenda. * Intros StPeter confirmed with Safa Sofuo?lu the correct spelling of his surname for the memberlist. * MUC review stpeter started the ball rolling with the XEP-0045 review but has not had chance to post them since FOSDEM, but committed to posting about Section 7 this week. It was agreed that the improvements Ralph Meijer and Joe Hildebrand had in Bruxelles is out of scope of the review but probably should be part of a Muc 2.0 specification. Discussion then moved on to unspecified features like retrieval of avatars of participants, PEP-in-Muc (or "MEP"?) and if they should form part of the current review in section 7 or in a 2.0 xep. Fabio volunteered with a plan to verify how it works against the 4 to 5 major servers then to document it. * XEP process Discussion then moved on how to improve the XEP process as stpeter will be serving for the next 2 years on the IESG so would not have the 14-16 hours a day available to him. First suggested by stpeter was to bug tracker to manage change requests, which could then be passed to the relevant XEP author, maintainer or the review team. Kevin mentioned the review team shouldn't be making wholesale changes to an xep thats still maintained by the author. Discussion moved to how this could be done, especially with those specifications who's author's are no longer maintaining them or are no longer contactable. It also brought up attribution of changes, so Kevin proposed splitting the current Author/Co-Author entries in the XEP's with Author/Co-Author, Maintainer and Contributor. Fabio added to this as a means for someone to be able to contact the current maintainer of an XEP. Another problem is the number of "authors" against each xep. Kevin noted that currently it is difficult on some as they have numerous authors, most of whom are now inactive. stpeter mentioned to post to the standards at xmpp.org or appropriate lists as the best way to do this. * Team lead It was proposed for Fabio Forno to be the team lead with +1 from Kevin, Peter Mount, and Luca Tagliaferi. As the board needs to approve the team leads this is going to be passed to the next Board meeting (2010 Feb 24). * Any other business? There was no other business. * Next meeting It was proposed that the next meeting should be in two weeks, with Tuesdays and Thursdays being bad days due to team member commitments. Fabio will be sending an email to the tech review list later to organise the next meeting. -- Peter Mount e: peter at retep.org.uk w: http://retep.org xmpp:peter at retep.org MSN: retep207 at hotmail.com -- Peter Mount e: peter at retep.org.uk w: http://retep.org xmpp:peter at retep.org MSN: retep207 at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stpeter at stpeter.im Tue Feb 23 22:21:06 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:21:06 -0700 Subject: [Members] Fwd: [Operators] Public XMPP Services list In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002230303q26bce2ddy33033191a9222a1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1266858853.4283.10.camel@smoku-desktop> <4B82BBBD.6010106@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220917s5cb15a6ev71a81cb3fcc26b14@mail.gmail.com> <4B82BFF1.9090006@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220944x50a36b04vc1cbb1b71b6e429b@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002220945r26ad58bi90356b58d2046842@mail.gmail.com> <32274E3D-785C-4B7F-99A3-E91F3B998146@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002230303q26bce2ddy33033191a9222a1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B84A932.20203@stpeter.im> On 2/23/10 4:03 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 00:05, bear wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 18:01, David Banes wrote: >>> On 23/02/2010, at 4:45 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone to help? >>> >>> I can help with this - may even be able to automate some of it... :) >> >> I'm also interested in helping automate a registry like setup for >> sites to do this > > Wow, even better! > > So Mitchell and Mike to code that? > > Any requirements? Constraints? What's the iTeam take on this? Automation is good. :) Sounds like a good task for the iteam. P -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 24 12:48:12 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:48:12 -0700 Subject: [Members] Board minutes, 2010-02-24 Message-ID: <4B85746C.2080509@stpeter.im> XSF Board Meeting, 2010-02-24 Agenda: 0. Roll call 1. Team leaders 2. XEP-0001 3. New website 4. "Note Well" Notice 5. Finance 6. Sponsors Meeting notes: 0. Roll call. All Board members in attendance, along with the Executive Director and several XSF members. 1. Team leaders. We have the following volunteers and, in accordance with the Bylaws, the Board needs confirm them. 1a. Communication Team: Nicolas V?rit? 1b. Infrastructure Team: Kevin Smith 1c. Technical Review Team: Fabio Forno All team leaders approved. 2. XEP-0001. Board not ready to vote on this. Peter to provide URL for reviewing the diff since version 1.19. http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0001/diff/1.19/vs/1.20rc2 3. New website Will reports that the site is mostly done. He has a list of action items for the Communication Team, to be discussed at the next CommTeam meeting on Tuesday, March 2. In addition, mobile theme to be activated. 4. "Note Well" notice Peter to propose text for this, similar to http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html at the IETF. 5. Finance Still need to receive payment from Vodafone and Collabora for Summit sponsorship. Vodafone required a DUNS number and Peter has applied for that. Peter to ping Collabora as well. T-shirt sales netted 740? (or thereabouts, final accounting to follow). 6. Sponsors Discussion about levels. Agreement that the levels already defined in http://xmpp.org/xsf/docs/sponsorship.pdf are fine. Rename Titanium to Diamond. Will to incorporate that PDF text into the new website and then we can contact existing sponsors. 7. Next Meeting March 10, 2010. Meeting Adjourned. Chat log follows.... ### [11:01:04] i dont' remember another meeting being scheduled, but i saw peter mention it :) [11:01:11] it's in the cal [11:01:54] Will: indeed it is [11:02:54] Does someone have a proposed agenda? I think we have to bless Kev as iteam leader. But other than that i'm not aware of much except for FOSDEM debrief [11:03:17] *** Florian has joined the room as a participant [11:03:20] hi [11:03:32] hi Florian [11:03:40] how come the calendar is still broken? [11:03:40] jack: see board@ list for some items [11:03:50] Florian: is it? [11:04:01] the only thing that doesn't work for me is the 15-minute warnign [11:04:03] warning [11:04:07] hmm [11:04:09] http://xmpp.org/calendar/xsf-all.ics [11:04:29] I got it working [11:04:36] I'm subscribed to that and meetings magically appear in my calendar [11:04:41] hmm [11:04:56] I'm missing the meetings [11:04:59] I got the XEP stuff [11:05:02] but no board meetings [11:05:06] strange [11:05:12] anyway ... [11:05:19] we'll figure that out later [11:05:35] :) [11:05:52] agenda? http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_horizon [11:06:13] yes [11:07:13] oh I should have updated that page [11:08:44] o ... let's start? [11:08:46] *so [11:08:49] we have volunteers to lead all the team [11:08:54] I mentioned those on the list [11:09:07] then let's offially bless them :-) [11:09:13] officially [11:09:14] 1. Team leaders. We have the following volunteers and in accordance with the Bylaws the Board needs confirm them. 1a. Communication Team: Nicolas V?rit? 1b. Infrastructure Team: Kevin Smith 1c. Technical Review Team: Fabio Forno [11:09:27] (from my email message) [11:09:35] no objections here, +1 confirm [11:09:56] +1 [11:09:59] please RT-collab edit this one, for a fast minutes posting at the very end of the present meeting: http://etherpad.com/XSF-board-2010-02-24 [11:10:19] +1 [11:10:29] +1 [11:10:55] ooh, XMPP based? [11:11:00] Florian: no [11:11:04] but it's nice [11:11:18] unfortunately no... [11:11:23] they've been bought by Google, too ;-) [11:11:49] have any Board members review the proposed modifications to XEP-0001? [11:12:13] if not, I will updated the Board Horizon page with direct URLs for review [11:12:22] I didn't take time, I confess: where are those modifs? [11:12:25] not me [11:12:32] N?co: I'll update the wiki page [11:12:35] thx [11:12:59] I haven't had time yet :/ [11:13:18] http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0001/diff/1.19/vs/1.20rc2 is the diff [11:13:30] but the Board can discuss that at its next meeting [11:14:04] mostly small edits? [11:14:12] yes [11:14:20] and corrections [11:14:35] but I can provide a summary in a message to the Board [11:14:37] next item? [11:14:38] :) [11:14:41] yup [11:14:48] website? [11:14:58] yes, running a bit behind schedule (surprise!) [11:14:59] ok [11:14:59] http://stage.xmpp.org/ [11:15:08] mostly done, i have a list of things to do - which i'll post to the commteam list. we'll divide them up between us (we have a commteam meeting next tuesday). [11:15:09] Will: what can we (and XSF members) do? [11:15:14] see above [11:15:16] ok [11:15:32] cool [11:15:33] at the bottom: "This is a WordPress site, using the Carrington Theme." can/should we remove this mention? [11:15:42] we shouldn't [11:15:44] i think we should namecheck carrington [11:16:07] Will: can you please create accounts? [11:16:28] N?co: yes, i'll do this tomorrow and email people direct [11:16:42] when i post to commteam list [11:16:45] super [11:17:00] thx! [11:17:14] brings us onto sponsors.... [11:17:15] in my email message I also raised this as an issue: IPR over contributions We need something like http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html for the XSF so it's clear that we can legitimately re-use text posted to the lists and in the chatrooms, protect ourselves from submarine patents, and so on. [11:17:19] do you need us to review specific stuff? [11:17:19] oh ok :) [11:17:38] N?co: website - yes, and add to certain sections [11:17:46] I can work on proposed text for a "note well" notice [11:17:52] great [11:17:54] what's the note well about? [11:17:56] stpeter: cool [11:18:10] one of the companies that sponsored the Summit asked me about this some time ago :) [11:18:32] new website is much more dynamic; i like it. [11:18:34] Will: can you please list on the email to commteam, the items we have to review/check/create/etc. ? [11:18:37] jack: indeed [11:18:38] i will miss the one click to rfc link though :) [11:18:46] not as fond of the menu at the top [11:18:49] but i can live with it :) [11:18:55] wait [11:18:57] jack: you just like it because of the collecta widget [11:19:07] hmm. this won't work on iphone will it? [11:19:09] jack: no need, type rfc in the browser location bar, this is this first proposed item... [11:19:12] ;-) [11:19:19] N?co: :) [11:19:30] jack: there's a mobile theme adjunct to the carrington theme we're using - i';ll activate tomorrow [11:19:36] will: cool [11:20:16] ok, sponsors? [11:20:26] jack: good point, we need to check out how that works on mobile [11:20:41] BTW, I think that perhaps one or two of the dinner sponsors still need to pay? [11:20:53] stpeter: who? me? [11:20:54] oh? [11:20:54] Florian: do you have records of that? [11:21:07] IIRC, Collabora said they would pay afterward [11:21:23] and I remember adding 100 euros of my own money to the pot :) [11:21:40] I had money from all but Vodafone and yes, Collabora [11:21:43] right [11:22:05] Vodafone wanted the XSF to have a "DUNS Number" so I have applied for that, but it takes 4-6 weeks [11:22:12] ah [11:22:15] what's that? [11:22:26] DUNS? [11:22:34] some financial bank thing [11:22:38] number [11:22:39] "A D&B? D-U-N-S? Number is a unique nine-digit sequence recognized as the universal standard for identifying and keeping track of over 100 million businesses worldwide." [11:22:57] stpeters in marketing for DUNS ;-) [11:22:59] Will: I got two Android phones: on my Samsung Galaxy, it loads forever: is it because of the Collecta widget? [11:23:00] from http://www.dnb.com/US/duns_update/ [11:23:10] anyway, so that will be delayed [11:23:17] but I will poke our friends at Collabora [11:23:27] N?co: possibly but i'd wait till the mobile theme is active before trying [11:23:32] ok [11:23:45] more sponsors ... [11:23:54] Who do we have, until when? [11:23:55] I also have 740? to deposit into the XSF bank account [11:24:03] from t-shirt sales [11:24:08] ah right [11:24:28] where are the leftover t-shirts? [11:24:35] I have them in Brussels [11:24:44] couldn't take them with me ... bit too many :) [11:24:55] ok - might as well try and sell them on the site (people won't see the colour properly!) [11:25:05] lol [11:25:51] heh [11:26:20] so, what about usual sponsors? [11:26:24] Florian: you could send them to the States and we could try to sell them at Summit #9 (although we will have fewer opportunities to sell them there) [11:26:29] yes, sponsors [11:26:33] we need to decide who is a sponsor [11:26:51] and what we'd charge to renew/join sponsorship [11:27:09] any ideas? [11:27:15] as I said on the list, I think our sponsors are in fact the companies who have sponsored the summits, at this point [11:27:15] twisted foundation has a tiered structure. we could just borrow that [11:27:24] link? [11:27:35] jack: we are supposed to have a tiered structure as well, but we don't really follow it or use it [11:27:36] I'd say, 2,5k; 5k;10k;20k+ [11:27:37] http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ [11:27:43] they are currently in their sponsorship drive [11:27:48] so all of that stuff is on the front page [11:29:04] reading now [11:29:11] Diamond: $20,000 Platinum: $10,000 Gold: $5,000 Silver: $1,000 Bronze: $500 Aluminum: $50 [11:29:35] we do have http://xmpp.org/xsf/docs/sponsorship.pdf [11:29:37] let's skip Aluminium [11:29:45] not sure why we're reinventing the wheel here [11:29:49] and plastic: $1 [11:30:10] we have it defined, we just haven't pursued sponsors, applied the levels, etc. [11:30:21] stpeter: i'd not seen that pdf (i think) [11:30:25] e.g., you are supposed to get special things for donating more, but we don't do that now [11:30:26] I like the Twistedmatrix levels [11:30:32] that's fine, ls revive that, no? [11:30:49] we need to attach 'benefits' to each level we have [11:31:00] I'd say, Diamond is automatically sponsor of events [11:31:04] not sure we have engough to justify 4 levels [11:31:21] Florian: our levels right now are Silver = 1000, Gold = 2500, Platinum = 10k, Titanium = 25k [11:31:24] Will: it depends on the capacity of our sponsors [11:31:42] stpeter: yeah those levels are good [11:31:49] you do know that basically we have been living off the money Google sent us in 2005 :) [11:32:02] stpeter: how much was that? [11:32:06] $25k [11:32:07] 25k? [11:32:08] much lie Mozilla ;-) [11:32:10] :) [11:32:13] :-) [11:32:27] if we promote these levels correctly [11:32:36] we could get Nokia for Titanium; Google again ... [11:32:37] oh, that was 2006 [11:32:45] but early in 2006 IIRC [11:32:56] stpeter: we should ask them if they want to renew ;-) [11:32:57] let's rename Titanium to Diamond though [11:33:12] and tell them they're 3 years late (please send 75k) [11:33:21] heh [11:33:59] well, IMHO, we need to have a better description of what we plan to spend money on -- to date that is mainly the summits and once in a while a new machine [11:34:07] ok - shall i take an action to incorporate thae pdf content into the new site for potential sponsors to look at - then we can approach people? [11:34:17] Will: that would be good, yes [11:34:22] ok [11:34:26] ... and add benefits to each level? which we can discuss [11:34:31] adding an XMPP logo should be done also [11:34:35] ok - i'll do that then. [11:34:38] thx [11:35:23] cool [11:35:33] http://etherpad.com/XSF-board-2010-02-24 updated :) [11:35:35] any wiki page where we can define sponsor benefits? [11:35:45] or on etherpad? [11:35:49] on the website, that should be enough [11:35:51] Florian: there will be once you create the page [11:36:13] ok ... [11:36:15] etherpad is great for taking notes in meetings, not as great for longer-term changes [11:36:18] *stpeter shrugs [11:36:24] true [11:36:32] If you don't mind, I'll go over the document [11:36:33] yeah, stick to wiki for discussing stuff over time [11:36:34] *stpeter checks http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_horizon for more agenda items [11:36:40] so, we have cover al our agenda items? [11:36:45] i think we have [11:36:45] and do some changes to the stuff [11:37:20] who has records for the t-shirt sales? Edwin? Dave? [11:37:46] I'll ping those guys [11:37:53] I don't see any other agenda items [11:37:56] next meeting? [11:38:06] same time, next week? [11:38:06] in 2 weeks? [11:38:10] i am not here net week [11:38:10] or 1 week? [11:38:11] ok [11:38:13] so 2 weeks would be good [11:38:18] so March 10 = 2 weeks [11:38:19] 2 weeks it is [11:38:28] ok [11:38:41] etherpad makes it easy to do the minutes :) [11:38:44] :) [11:39:07] definitely [11:39:13] so I think we're done? [11:39:23] yup [11:39:28] now, ultimate question: who sends the chat logs and meeting notes to the member list? [11:39:30] +1 for going away [11:39:30] hmm I never updated http://xmpp.org/xsf/board/ with the Chair [11:39:35] *** luca tagliaferri has left the room [11:39:50] you should update it with a keyboard... [11:39:53] N?co: I can do that [11:39:55] lol [11:40:01] ok, thx -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Groetjes, Edwin From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Feb 24 14:05:27 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:05:27 -0700 Subject: [Members] Board minutes, 2010-02-24 In-Reply-To: References: <4B85746C.2080509@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <4B858687.9010501@stpeter.im> On 2/24/10 12:25 PM, Edwin Mons wrote: > Op 24 feb 2010, om 19:48 heeft Peter Saint-Andre het volgende geschreven: > >> T-shirt sales netted 740? (or thereabouts, final accounting to follow). >> >> [11:37:20] who has records for the t-shirt sales? Edwin? Dave? >> [11:37:46] I'll ping those guys > > > Ralph provided the notepad we used to keep track. It's probably still in Ralphm's posession. OK, I'll check with Ralph. And thanks for reading the minutes so carefully. ;-) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 03:52:10 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:52:10 +0100 Subject: [Members] team leaders In-Reply-To: <4B85F26D.6060805@stpeter.im> References: <4B85F26D.6060805@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002250152k7627caf6uf09619f4b97f767d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 04:45, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > At its meeting today, the Board approved the following XSF members as > team leaders, in accordance with the Bylaws: > > Communication Team: Nicolas V?rit? > Infrastructure Team: Kevin Smith > Technical Review Team: Fabio Forno > > Many thanks to Nicolas, Kevin, and Fabio for volunteering. Please look > for announcements from them regarding team meetings and opportunities > for XSF members to contribute. > > I have updated the team wiki pages to reflect these appointments: > > http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam > http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_Infrastructure > http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Review_team I think that since these teams are coming to a stronger reality, it is time to "officially" talk about that on our blog. Consequently, I've just created a (very) fast draft of what this article could look like, if you want to contribute, for a blog post later: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_Teams -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 06:59:55 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:59:55 +0100 Subject: [Members] Fwd: [Operators] Public XMPP Services list In-Reply-To: <4B84A932.20203@stpeter.im> References: <1266858853.4283.10.camel@smoku-desktop> <4B82BBBD.6010106@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220917s5cb15a6ev71a81cb3fcc26b14@mail.gmail.com> <4B82BFF1.9090006@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002220944x50a36b04vc1cbb1b71b6e429b@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002220945r26ad58bi90356b58d2046842@mail.gmail.com> <32274E3D-785C-4B7F-99A3-E91F3B998146@cleartext.com> <6e2f977f1002230303q26bce2ddy33033191a9222a1e@mail.gmail.com> <4B84A932.20203@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002250459l12c16451lfec93c8c91e5d7bc@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 05:21, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Automation is good. :) Sounds like a good task for the iteam. I have added the item to the iteam's "Current projects", but this is just a proposition: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_Infrastructure#Services -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From stpeter at stpeter.im Thu Feb 25 07:04:33 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:04:33 -0700 Subject: [Members] team leaders In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002250152k7627caf6uf09619f4b97f767d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B85F26D.6060805@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002250152k7627caf6uf09619f4b97f767d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B867561.2090305@stpeter.im> On 2/25/10 2:52 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 04:45, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> At its meeting today, the Board approved the following XSF members as >> team leaders, in accordance with the Bylaws: >> >> Communication Team: Nicolas V?rit? >> Infrastructure Team: Kevin Smith >> Technical Review Team: Fabio Forno >> >> Many thanks to Nicolas, Kevin, and Fabio for volunteering. Please look >> for announcements from them regarding team meetings and opportunities >> for XSF members to contribute. >> >> I have updated the team wiki pages to reflect these appointments: >> >> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam >> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_Infrastructure >> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Review_team > > I think that since these teams are coming to a stronger reality, it is > time to "officially" talk about that on our blog. > > Consequently, I've just created a (very) fast draft of what this > article could look like, if you want to contribute, for a blog post > later: > http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_Teams Thanks, N?co! I'll add some text to those soon. See also: http://metajack.im/2010/01/19/xsf-teams/ Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 07:23:52 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:23:52 +0100 Subject: [Members] team leaders In-Reply-To: <4B867561.2090305@stpeter.im> References: <4B85F26D.6060805@stpeter.im> <6e2f977f1002250152k7627caf6uf09619f4b97f767d@mail.gmail.com> <4B867561.2090305@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002250523k723fc24ex701ee07a1c4c20bb@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 14:04, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 2/25/10 2:52 AM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 04:45, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> At its meeting today, the Board approved the following XSF members as >>> team leaders, in accordance with the Bylaws: >>> >>> Communication Team: Nicolas V?rit? >>> Infrastructure Team: Kevin Smith >>> Technical Review Team: Fabio Forno >>> >>> Many thanks to Nicolas, Kevin, and Fabio for volunteering. Please look >>> for announcements from them regarding team meetings and opportunities >>> for XSF members to contribute. >>> >>> I have updated the team wiki pages to reflect these appointments: >>> >>> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam >>> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_Infrastructure >>> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Review_team >> >> I think that since these teams are coming to a stronger reality, it is >> time to "officially" talk about that on our blog. >> >> Consequently, I've just created a (very) fast draft of what this >> article could look like, if you ?want to contribute, for a blog post >> later: >> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_Teams > > Thanks, N?co! I'll add some text to those soon. See also: > > http://metajack.im/2010/01/19/xsf-teams/ Oh sh... I forgot that one... Jack, maybe some of your blog posts are more willing to go to the XSF blog, don't you think? -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 08:02:00 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:02:00 +0100 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Do we have a ticket tracker? I guess this should be very helpful for each of our increasing number of teams! ;-) Bugzilla, Flyspray, MantisBT, OTRS, RT, Roundup are good candidates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue_tracking_systems Depending on the weight of your criteria, you should be able to compare some of them here: http://qsos.org/o3s/set_weighting.php?family=bugTracker OTRS seems to be the best with all criteria =1. http://otrs.org/ -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From kevin at kismith.co.uk Thu Feb 25 08:06:13 2010 From: kevin at kismith.co.uk (Kevin Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:06:13 +0000 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > Do we have a ticket tracker? Without wanting this to quickly degenerate into a tools conversation - yes, we have Jira. Bear is working on the Atlassian suite at the moment, but as far as I know the last time I touched it it was working, so it probably still is. If you let us (the iteam) know how you'd like to use it, we can sort out accounts and the whathaveyous. /K From will at willsheward.co.uk Thu Feb 25 08:06:22 2010 From: will at willsheward.co.uk (Will Sheward) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:06:22 +0000 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8683DE.3010806@willsheward.co.uk> Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > Hi all, > > Do we have a ticket tracker? > > I guess this should be very helpful for each of our increasing number > of teams! ;-) > > Bugzilla, Flyspray, MantisBT, OTRS OTRS is horrible, please let's avoid OTRS :-) Will From nicolas.verite at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 08:11:13 2010 From: nicolas.verite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_V=E9rit=E9?=) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:11:13 +0100 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e2f977f1002250611h3bb2ed51kc6332fa00dbdf9a6@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 15:06, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Nicolas V?rit? > wrote: >> Do we have a ticket tracker? > > Without wanting this to quickly degenerate into a tools conversation - > yes, we have Jira. Bear is working on the Atlassian suite at the > moment, but as far as I know the last time I touched it it was > working, so it probably still is. If you let us (the iteam) know how > you'd like to use it, we can sort out accounts and the whathaveyous. I would say: * One project per team * One account per team member * Open access to all A really simple model, so that the admin burden is low. -- Nicolas V?rit? (N?co) mailto:nicolas.verite at gmail.com Jabber ID : xmpp:nyco at jabber.fr http://linuxfr.org/ - http://fr.wikipedia.org/ - http://www.jabberfr.org/ http://xmpp.org - http://april.org/ - http://qsos.org/ From peter at retep.org.uk Thu Feb 25 08:45:06 2010 From: peter at retep.org.uk (Peter Mount) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:45:06 +0000 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85bf933e1002250645r2733f8d0p7466585eeee77aa0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Nicolas V?rit? > wrote: > > Do we have a ticket tracker? > > Without wanting this to quickly degenerate into a tools conversation - > yes, we have Jira. Bear is working on the Atlassian suite at the > moment, but as far as I know the last time I touched it it was > working, so it probably still is. If you let us (the iteam) know how > you'd like to use it, we can sort out accounts and the whathaveyous. > /K > I use Jira here at work & did have it running for my OS projects (depends on what Oracle does next for kenai if I still use it). A plus point for it is the workflow functionality so going with what we were discussing in the tech review meeting the other night, it should be pretty good. Peter -- Peter Mount e: peter at retep.org.uk w: http://retep.org xmpp:peter at retep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at retep.org.uk Thu Feb 25 08:47:21 2010 From: peter at retep.org.uk (Peter Mount) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:47:21 +0000 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85bf933e1002250647r4e62f718te2355829e0000e2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Nicolas V?rit? wrote: > Hi all, > > Do we have a ticket tracker? > > I guess this should be very helpful for each of our increasing number > of teams! ;-) > > Bugzilla, Flyspray, MantisBT, OTRS, RT, Roundup are good candidates. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue_tracking_systems Used Bugzilla in the past - looks pretty dated these days. I used to run MantisBT a couple of years ago and it wasn't bad, not tried Flyspray or OTRS. These days I've been using Jira a lot - probably the only one of Atlassian's products I've managed to find useful so far. Peter -- Peter Mount e: peter at retep.org.uk w: http://retep.org xmpp:peter at retep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio at bluendo.com Thu Feb 25 08:55:32 2010 From: fabio at bluendo.com (Fabio Forno) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:55:32 +0100 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: <6e2f977f1002250611h3bb2ed51kc6332fa00dbdf9a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002250611h3bb2ed51kc6332fa00dbdf9a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2fd53c3a1002250655m60f4975cqf416695e356cf0fc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Nicolas V?rit? I would say: > * One project per team > * One account per team member > * Open access to all > > A really simple model, so that the admin burden is low. Reporting & commenting open to everyone, further actions to members only? -- Fabio Forno, Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com From kevin at kismith.co.uk Thu Feb 25 08:56:47 2010 From: kevin at kismith.co.uk (Kevin Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:56:47 +0000 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: <2fd53c3a1002250655m60f4975cqf416695e356cf0fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002250611h3bb2ed51kc6332fa00dbdf9a6@mail.gmail.com> <2fd53c3a1002250655m60f4975cqf416695e356cf0fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Fabio Forno wrote: >> I would say: >> * One project per team >> * One account per team member >> * Open access to all >> A really simple model, so that the admin burden is low. > Reporting & commenting open to everyone, further actions to members only? I'm happy to give that a try. We can always reduce access later, if we get too many reports of feature requests for Psi, or the like :) /K From kevin at kismith.co.uk Thu Feb 25 10:09:51 2010 From: kevin at kismith.co.uk (Kevin Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:09:51 +0000 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002250611h3bb2ed51kc6332fa00dbdf9a6@mail.gmail.com> <2fd53c3a1002250655m60f4975cqf416695e356cf0fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Fabio Forno wrote: >>> I would say: >>> * One project per team >>> * One account per team member >>> * Open access to all >>> A really simple model, so that the admin burden is low. >> Reporting & commenting open to everyone, further actions to members only? > I'm happy to give that a try. We can always reduce access later, if we > get too many reports of feature requests for Psi, or the like :) Jira is running - Nyco, Peter and I are system-wide admins, and there are projects for the iteam and the commteam. If any of the techreview, council or board want projects, just yell. People can register from http://athena.jabber.org:18081/secure/admin/AddProject!default.jspa and I can add them to the appropriate groups. /K From stpeter at stpeter.im Thu Feb 25 11:28:56 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:28:56 -0700 Subject: [Members] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: References: <6e2f977f1002250602p61c4cc69o1bc862452509d5a1@mail.gmail.com> <6e2f977f1002250611h3bb2ed51kc6332fa00dbdf9a6@mail.gmail.com> <2fd53c3a1002250655m60f4975cqf416695e356cf0fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86B358.9080302@stpeter.im> On 2/25/10 9:09 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Fabio Forno wrote: >>>> I would say: >>>> * One project per team >>>> * One account per team member >>>> * Open access to all >>>> A really simple model, so that the admin burden is low. >>> Reporting & commenting open to everyone, further actions to members only? >> I'm happy to give that a try. We can always reduce access later, if we >> get too many reports of feature requests for Psi, or the like :) > > Jira is running - Nyco, Peter and I are system-wide admins, and there > are projects for the iteam and the commteam. If any of the techreview, > council or board want projects, just yell. People can register from > http://athena.jabber.org:18081/secure/admin/AddProject!default.jspa > and I can add them to the appropriate groups. Kev and I just created a project for specs (XEPs, schemas, etc.). Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From bear42 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:13:21 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:13:21 -0500 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <4db9cacb1002251310i6fdfc6c9rc9e85ec7541928b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002251310i6fdfc6c9rc9e85ec7541928b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 With Buzz and Wave on the frontline of Google Tech, I think it would be a shame to lose that momentum and presence in the Google sphere On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 16:10, Matthew Wild wrote: > On 25 February 2010 21:09, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> Do we want to participate in the Google Summer of Code this year? >> > > Yes! > -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From arcriley at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:14:58 2010 From: arcriley at gmail.com (Arc Riley) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4db9cacb1002251310i6fdfc6c9rc9e85ec7541928b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: +1, and I'll volunteer to mentor any python-based xmpp projects (though they could also go under the PSF mentoring org) On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:13 PM, bear wrote: > +1 > > With Buzz and Wave on the frontline of Google Tech, I think it would > be a shame to lose that momentum and presence in the Google sphere > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 16:10, Matthew Wild wrote: > > On 25 February 2010 21:09, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> Do we want to participate in the Google Summer of Code this year? > >> > > > > Yes! > > > > > > -- > Bear > > bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) > bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) > http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) > > PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since it will likely require work both on client and server parts any server developer is welcome in project ;) -- Fabio Forno, Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com From alexey.melnikov at isode.com Thu Feb 25 15:54:14 2010 From: alexey.melnikov at isode.com (Alexey Melnikov) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:54:14 +0000 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >Do we want to participate in the Google Summer of Code this year? > > I think we should. From safasofuoglu at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:09:14 2010 From: safasofuoglu at gmail.com (Safa) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:09:14 +0200 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> Message-ID: <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> +1 I also have a specific project that I am willing to mentor (Openfire related). 2010/2/25 Alexey Melnikov > Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > Do we want to participate in the Google Summer of Code this year? >> >> > I think we should. > > -- Safa Sofuo?lu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ali.sabil at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:24:38 2010 From: ali.sabil at gmail.com (Ali Sabil) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:24:38 +0100 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/25 Safa : > +1 > > I also have a specific project that I am willing to mentor (Openfire > related). > > 2010/2/25 Alexey Melnikov >> >> Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> >>> Do we want to participate in the Google Summer of Code this year? >>> >> +1 from me From stpeter at stpeter.im Thu Feb 25 17:39:44 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B870A40.8070303@stpeter.im> On 2/25/10 4:24 PM, Ali Sabil wrote: > 2010/2/25 Safa : >> +1 >> >> I also have a specific project that I am willing to mentor (Openfire >> related). >> >> 2010/2/25 Alexey Melnikov >>> >>> Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> >>>> Do we want to participate in the Google Summer of Code this year? >>>> >>> > > +1 from me Well, we seem to have consensus. Now who is going to do the work? And I assure you that it is a lot of work! Here are the "Top 20" tasks you can look forward to: 1. Writing the XSF's application to be an official GSoC organization 2. Finding and interviewing potential mentors 3. Defining potentially interesting projects 4. Reading dozens and dozens of applications on very short notice 5. Exhorting the mentors to read those applications, too 6. Collating the votes and making the final decisions 7. Handling the transition from selection to actual work 8. For mentors, babysitting the students 9. For the org admin, babysitting the mentors :) 10. Getting everyone to report on their progress regularly 11. Holding weekly / fortnightly groupchat meetings 12. Making sure that everyone is on track at all times 13. Completing the first-half progress check / report 14. Dropping students who aren't making sufficient progress 15. Finding replacement mentors if necessary 16. Pushing through the second half of GSoC to project completion 17. Frantically taking care of last-minute disasters 18. Writing and submitting a final report to Google 19. Keeping after Google for payment 20. Disbursing funds to our mentors I can assure you that I simply don't have time for all those tasks, or even for any of them. So who is going to step forward? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Defining potentially interesting projects > 4. Reading dozens and dozens of applications on very short notice > 5. Exhorting the mentors to read those applications, too > 6. Collating the votes and making the final decisions > 7. Handling the transition from selection to actual work > 8. For mentors, babysitting the students > 9. For the org admin, babysitting the mentors :) > 10. Getting everyone to report on their progress regularly > 11. Holding weekly / fortnightly groupchat meetings > 12. Making sure that everyone is on track at all times > 13. Completing the first-half progress check / report > 14. Dropping students who aren't making sufficient progress > 15. Finding replacement mentors if necessary > 16. Pushing through the second half of GSoC to project completion > 17. Frantically taking care of last-minute disasters > 18. Writing and submitting a final report to Google > 19. Keeping after Google for payment > 20. Disbursing funds to our mentors > > I can assure you that I simply don't have time for all those tasks, or > even for any of them. So who is going to step forward? > split responsibilities: - administration stuff and relations with google by the board - project selection by the council and the board - project running/monitoring by a special team formed by mentors which are also members and with one of council as lead -- Fabio Forno, Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com From gnauck at ag-software.de Fri Feb 26 01:59:55 2010 From: gnauck at ag-software.de (Alexander Gnauck) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:59:55 +0100 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <2fd53c3a1002251549y311383a4te9fed30ae3f92a2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> <4B870A40.8070303@stpeter.im> <2fd53c3a1002251549y311383a4te9fed30ae3f92a2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 for GSOC. I'm bad at writing, especially in English ;-) But I volunteer again for some of the other tasks. Alex From admin at flosoft.biz Fri Feb 26 04:36:23 2010 From: admin at flosoft.biz (Florian Jensen) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:36:23 +0000 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <2fd53c3a1002251549y311383a4te9fed30ae3f92a2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> <4B870A40.8070303@stpeter.im> <2fd53c3a1002251549y311383a4te9fed30ae3f92a2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3CB33A79-53B5-4F1E-B56F-D97B541A459D@flosoft.biz> On 25 Feb 2010, at 23:49, Fabio Forno wrote: > split responsibilities: > - administration stuff and relations with google by the board > - project selection by the council and the board > - project running/monitoring by a special team formed by mentors which > are also members and with one of council as lead I like it. --Florian From arcriley at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 13:36:08 2010 From: arcriley at gmail.com (Arc Riley) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <2fd53c3a1002251549y311383a4te9fed30ae3f92a2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> <4B870A40.8070303@stpeter.im> <2fd53c3a1002251549y311383a4te9fed30ae3f92a2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The org admin role cannot be split, though there may be a backup. The org admin is a thankless job that should only be taken on by a really dedicated volunteer, messing up would hurt the XSF's future ability to participate in the program. As a small award, however, the org admin gets a free all-expense paid trip to Mountain View, CA for the GSoC mentors summit in the Fall - so maybe not all thankless. The org admin should be the one to write the XSF's application and most of the other tasks Peter listed. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Fabio Forno wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: > > Well, we seem to have consensus. Now who is going to do the work? And I > > assure you that it is a lot of work! Here are the "Top 20" tasks you can > > look forward to: > > > > 1. Writing the XSF's application to be an official GSoC organization > > 2. Finding and interviewing potential mentors > > 3. Defining potentially interesting projects > > 4. Reading dozens and dozens of applications on very short notice > > 5. Exhorting the mentors to read those applications, too > > 6. Collating the votes and making the final decisions > > 7. Handling the transition from selection to actual work > > 8. For mentors, babysitting the students > > 9. For the org admin, babysitting the mentors :) > > 10. Getting everyone to report on their progress regularly > > 11. Holding weekly / fortnightly groupchat meetings > > 12. Making sure that everyone is on track at all times > > 13. Completing the first-half progress check / report > > 14. Dropping students who aren't making sufficient progress > > 15. Finding replacement mentors if necessary > > 16. Pushing through the second half of GSoC to project completion > > 17. Frantically taking care of last-minute disasters > > 18. Writing and submitting a final report to Google > > 19. Keeping after Google for payment > > 20. Disbursing funds to our mentors > > > > I can assure you that I simply don't have time for all those tasks, or > > even for any of them. So who is going to step forward? > > > > split responsibilities: > - administration stuff and relations with google by the board > - project selection by the council and the board > - project running/monitoring by a special team formed by mentors which > are also members and with one of council as lead > > -- > Fabio Forno, > Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com > jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stpeter at stpeter.im Fri Feb 26 14:02:36 2010 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:02:36 -0700 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> <4B870A40.8070303@stpeter.im> <2fd53c3a1002251549y311383a4te9fed30ae3f92a2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8828DC.1090700@stpeter.im> Yes, I have always been the org admin -- and I've always been too busy to make that trip to Mountain View... On 2/26/10 12:36 PM, Arc Riley wrote: > The org admin role cannot be split, though there may be a backup. > > The org admin is a thankless job that should only be taken on by a > really dedicated volunteer, messing up would hurt the XSF's future > ability to participate in the program. > > As a small award, however, the org admin gets a free all-expense paid > trip to Mountain View, CA for the GSoC mentors summit in the Fall - so > maybe not all thankless. > > The org admin should be the one to write the XSF's application and most > of the other tasks Peter listed. > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Fabio Forno > wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Peter Saint-Andre > > wrote: > > Well, we seem to have consensus. Now who is going to do the work? > And I > > assure you that it is a lot of work! Here are the "Top 20" tasks > you can > > look forward to: > > > > 1. Writing the XSF's application to be an official GSoC organization > > 2. Finding and interviewing potential mentors > > 3. Defining potentially interesting projects > > 4. Reading dozens and dozens of applications on very short notice > > 5. Exhorting the mentors to read those applications, too > > 6. Collating the votes and making the final decisions > > 7. Handling the transition from selection to actual work > > 8. For mentors, babysitting the students > > 9. For the org admin, babysitting the mentors :) > > 10. Getting everyone to report on their progress regularly > > 11. Holding weekly / fortnightly groupchat meetings > > 12. Making sure that everyone is on track at all times > > 13. Completing the first-half progress check / report > > 14. Dropping students who aren't making sufficient progress > > 15. Finding replacement mentors if necessary > > 16. Pushing through the second half of GSoC to project completion > > 17. Frantically taking care of last-minute disasters > > 18. Writing and submitting a final report to Google > > 19. Keeping after Google for payment > > 20. Disbursing funds to our mentors > > > > I can assure you that I simply don't have time for all those tasks, or > > even for any of them. So who is going to step forward? > > > > split responsibilities: > - administration stuff and relations with google by the board > - project selection by the council and the board > - project running/monitoring by a special team formed by mentors which > are also members and with one of council as lead > > -- > Fabio Forno, > Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com > jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From bear42 at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:44:13 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <4B8828DC.1090700@stpeter.im> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> <4B870A40.8070303@stpeter.im> <2fd53c3a1002251549y311383a4te9fed30ae3f92a2b@mail.gmail.com> <4B8828DC.1090700@stpeter.im> Message-ID: unless someone with more XSF experience steps forward I may consider this. I'm starting a new job at Mozilla next week and they grok open source so I would be able to work on this during $dayjob hours, but I would for sure need a lot of help from the team members and mentors as I've never participated in GSoC This will definitely fill up my XSF project time, heck probably my XMPP project time, completely So if the others don't throw large bulky objects at my head... On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 15:02, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Yes, I have always been the org admin -- and I've always been too busy > to make that trip to Mountain View... > > On 2/26/10 12:36 PM, Arc Riley wrote: >> The org admin role cannot be split, though there may be a backup. >> >> The org admin is a thankless job that should only be taken on by a >> really dedicated volunteer, messing up would hurt the XSF's future >> ability to participate in the program. >> >> As a small award, however, the org admin gets a free all-expense paid >> trip to Mountain View, CA for the GSoC mentors summit in the Fall - so >> maybe not all thankless. >> >> The org admin should be the one to write the XSF's application and most >> of the other tasks Peter listed. >> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Fabio Forno > > wrote: >> >> ? ? On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Peter Saint-Andre >> ? ? > wrote: >> ? ? > Well, we seem to have consensus. Now who is going to do the work? >> ? ? And I >> ? ? > assure you that it is a lot of work! Here are the "Top 20" tasks >> ? ? you can >> ? ? > look forward to: >> ? ? > >> ? ? > 1. Writing the XSF's application to be an official GSoC organization >> ? ? > 2. Finding and interviewing potential mentors >> ? ? > 3. Defining potentially interesting projects >> ? ? > 4. Reading dozens and dozens of applications on very short notice >> ? ? > 5. Exhorting the mentors to read those applications, too >> ? ? > 6. Collating the votes and making the final decisions >> ? ? > 7. Handling the transition from selection to actual work >> ? ? > 8. For mentors, babysitting the students >> ? ? > 9. For the org admin, babysitting the mentors :) >> ? ? > 10. Getting everyone to report on their progress regularly >> ? ? > 11. Holding weekly / fortnightly groupchat meetings >> ? ? > 12. Making sure that everyone is on track at all times >> ? ? > 13. Completing the first-half progress check / report >> ? ? > 14. Dropping students who aren't making sufficient progress >> ? ? > 15. Finding replacement mentors if necessary >> ? ? > 16. Pushing through the second half of GSoC to project completion >> ? ? > 17. Frantically taking care of last-minute disasters >> ? ? > 18. Writing and submitting a final report to Google >> ? ? > 19. Keeping after Google for payment >> ? ? > 20. Disbursing funds to our mentors >> ? ? > >> ? ? > I can assure you that I simply don't have time for all those tasks, or >> ? ? > even for any of them. So who is going to step forward? >> ? ? > >> >> ? ? split responsibilities: >> ? ? - administration stuff and relations with google by the board >> ? ? - project selection by the council and the board >> ? ? - project running/monitoring by a special team formed by mentors which >> ? ? are also members and with one of council as lead >> >> ? ? -- >> ? ? Fabio Forno, >> ? ? Bluendo srl http://www.bluendo.com >> ? ? jabber id: ff at jabber.bluendo.com >> > > -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 From zooldk at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 03:19:15 2010 From: zooldk at gmail.com (Steffen Larsen) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:19:15 +0100 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> Message-ID: +1, good idea. :-) On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Do we want to participate in the Google Summer of Code this year? > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1923 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bear42 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 03:51:14 2010 From: bear42 at gmail.com (bear) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:51:14 -0500 Subject: [Members] GSoC In-Reply-To: <4B870A40.8070303@stpeter.im> References: <4B86E6F3.7070907@stpeter.im> <4B86F186.1010308@isode.com> <8f384a461002251409o2f744d4fk6e34ae48d58315ad@mail.gmail.com> <6b4de4d81002251524o487a401m937be9ec60c6b7e3@mail.gmail.com> <4B870A40.8070303@stpeter.im> Message-ID: ok after having talked a bit with my wife and also mentioned this to my new boss, I am more than willing to step up and be the org admin. If the board doesn't have any objections that is :) A number of folks have reached and offered assistance to help me over the n00b potholes, so I should be able to get up and running fairly quickly. thanks, -- Bear bear42 at gmail.com (xmpp, email) bear at code-bear.com (xmpp, email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29