[Members] XSF roadmap

Nicolas Vérité nicolas.verite at gmail.com
Thu Sep 9 03:40:27 CST 2010


On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:18, Dave Cridland <dave at cridland.net> wrote:
> On Thu Sep  9 10:01:57 2010, David Banes wrote:
>>
>> On 09/09/2010, at 6:23 PM, Nicolas Vérité wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 02:12, David Banes <dbanes at cleartext.com> wrote:
>> >> On 08/09/2010, at 10:49 PM, Nicolas Vérité wrote:
>> >>> 3/ Collab RT editing
>> >>>
>> >> -1
>> >
>> > Then who else in the world can handle such a protocol?
>> >
>>
>> Who really wants it? if Googles implementation fell over then what chance
>> does anyone else have?
>
> Google Wave didn't fall over for technical reasons.
>
> I actually think bits of Wave could make an interesting starting point for a
> number of XSF protocols (possibly even including the microblogging spec, as
> well as collaborative editing). Much of the technical building blocks of
> Wave were very sound indeed.
>
> The thing that killed Wave was that it required a forklift upgrade to use -
> it's not a step change from existing communications; it replaces IM, email,
> and so on with an entirely new system with its own idiosyncrasies.
>
> New systems are a blocker to adoption; new concepts are a blocker to
> adoption. Google Wave had both combined, along with the issue of having a
> single commercial entity in very firm control.
>
> If Google Wave tells us - the XSF - anything, it's that we're better placed
> than Google to produce such things, and we can do it as an adjunct to the
> existing XMPP paradigms.
>
> Gosh, I used the word "paradigm". I should switch career into marketing.
>
> In any case, I think whiteboarding in particular repeatedly comes up as
> desirable, and collaborative editing in general should be possible. FWIW,
> the people I'm aware of are doing it using the same technology used for
> Google Wave - I'm hopeful they'll succeed, and also hopeful I can persuade
> them into opening the specification.

Like voice/video, the XSF has produced many iterations before having
Jingle, then Jingle Nodes, etc. It is likewise with encryption, we had
many tentative XEPs, but we are not there yet.

On RT collab (call it whatever you want, whiteboard, editor, etc.), we
also had many tentative XEPs... which makes me say that I believe we
have understood this is our duty to provide such an open protocol to
the IT crowds.

I don't know yet though if it should take the shape of sxe, sxde,
mute, Wave or Wave-like...
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