From stpeter at stpeter.im  Wed Nov 19 10:52:15 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:52:15 -0700
Subject: [MUC] <actor/> element
Message-ID: <4924443F.2000901@stpeter.im>

Currently in MUC the <actor/> element specifies the real JID of the
person who performed a kick or ban. In the Psi room recently we talked
about changing that to the nick:

http://conference.psi-im.org/psi at conference.psi-im.org/2008/11/11.html#12:12:04

I'm fairly agnostic on this but I think it's worth considering.

Thoughts?

Peter

-- 
Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/


From jack at chesspark.com  Wed Nov 19 13:37:32 2008
From: jack at chesspark.com (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:37:32 -0700
Subject: [MUC] <actor/> element
In-Reply-To: <4924443F.2000901@stpeter.im>
References: <4924443F.2000901@stpeter.im>
Message-ID: <9b58f4550811191137n243039c9r9e9286b685981a8d@mail.gmail.com>

> Currently in MUC the <actor/> element specifies the real JID of the
> person who performed a kick or ban. In the Psi room recently we talked
> about changing that to the nick:
>
> http://conference.psi-im.org/psi at conference.psi-im.org/2008/11/11.html#12:12:04
>
> I'm fairly agnostic on this but I think it's worth considering.

It seems good to me, although I think it should be whatever the
default is for the room config.  Ie, if the room is non-anonymous,
then it should be the full JID.  If it's anonymous it should be the
nick, etc.

jack.

From remko at el-tramo.be  Wed Nov 19 14:50:57 2008
From: remko at el-tramo.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Remko_Tron=C3=A7on?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:50:57 +0100
Subject: [MUC] <actor/> element
In-Reply-To: <9b58f4550811191137n243039c9r9e9286b685981a8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924443F.2000901@stpeter.im>
	<9b58f4550811191137n243039c9r9e9286b685981a8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <133fd4c60811191250ga236fc3y6642276f25f274bd@mail.gmail.com>

> It seems good to me, although I think it should be whatever the
> default is for the room config.  Ie, if the room is non-anonymous,
> then it should be the full JID.  If it's anonymous it should be the
> nick, etc.

Is there any good reason to do this? Doesn't it make processing in the
client extremely hard? (having to know in what kind of room you are,
distinguish the cases, looking up nickname by jid if it's one case,
use nickname directly if it's not, ...)

cheers,
Remko

From stpeter at stpeter.im  Thu Nov 20 17:29:43 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:29:43 -0700
Subject: [MUC] <actor/> element
In-Reply-To: <133fd4c60811191250ga236fc3y6642276f25f274bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924443F.2000901@stpeter.im>	<9b58f4550811191137n243039c9r9e9286b685981a8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<133fd4c60811191250ga236fc3y6642276f25f274bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925F2E7.7010809@stpeter.im>

Remko Tron?on wrote:
>> It seems good to me, although I think it should be whatever the
>> default is for the room config.  Ie, if the room is non-anonymous,
>> then it should be the full JID.  If it's anonymous it should be the
>> nick, etc.
> 
> Is there any good reason to do this? Doesn't it make processing in the
> client extremely hard? (having to know in what kind of room you are,
> distinguish the cases, looking up nickname by jid if it's one case,
> use nickname directly if it's not, ...)

Joe Hildebrand poked me offlist to say:

"If it's an anonymous room, use room at server/nick. Always full JID, and
you can compare against the room name if you care."

/psa



From remko at el-tramo.be  Fri Nov 21 01:33:43 2008
From: remko at el-tramo.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Remko_Tron=C3=A7on?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:33:43 +0100
Subject: [MUC] <actor/> element
In-Reply-To: <4925F2E7.7010809@stpeter.im>
References: <4924443F.2000901@stpeter.im>
	<9b58f4550811191137n243039c9r9e9286b685981a8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<133fd4c60811191250ga236fc3y6642276f25f274bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925F2E7.7010809@stpeter.im>
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> "If it's an anonymous room, use room at server/nick. Always full JID, and
> you can compare against the room name if you care."

WFM, as long as it's consistent.

cheers,
Remko

From stpeter at stpeter.im  Fri Nov 21 10:04:28 2008
From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:04:28 -0700
Subject: [MUC] <actor/> element
In-Reply-To: <133fd4c60811202333v18425909x1d60cd7341bc26e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924443F.2000901@stpeter.im>	<9b58f4550811191137n243039c9r9e9286b685981a8d@mail.gmail.com>	<133fd4c60811191250ga236fc3y6642276f25f274bd@mail.gmail.com>	<4925F2E7.7010809@stpeter.im>
	<133fd4c60811202333v18425909x1d60cd7341bc26e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4926DC0C.5060206@stpeter.im>

Remko Tron?on wrote:
>> "If it's an anonymous room, use room at server/nick. Always full JID, and
>> you can compare against the room name if you care."
> 
> WFM, as long as it's consistent.

Ditto. I'll add this to my list of clarifications for the next version
of XEP-0045.

/psa



From kevin at kismith.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 10:07:19 2008
From: kevin at kismith.co.uk (Kevin Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:07:19 +0000
Subject: [MUC] <actor/> element
In-Reply-To: <4926DC0C.5060206@stpeter.im>
References: <4924443F.2000901@stpeter.im>
	<9b58f4550811191137n243039c9r9e9286b685981a8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<133fd4c60811191250ga236fc3y6642276f25f274bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925F2E7.7010809@stpeter.im>
	<133fd4c60811202333v18425909x1d60cd7341bc26e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4926DC0C.5060206@stpeter.im>
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>>> "If it's an anonymous room, use room at server/nick. Always full JID, and
>>> you can compare against the room name if you care."
>> WFM, as long as it's consistent.

I didn't quite understand this - are we now proposing that it's always
the muc jid that's sent as the actor, because the client is able to
work out who it was if the jid was available to them?

If that's the case then I'm in favour.

/K