[Social] Introduction

[Peter Saint-Andre]

Blaine Cook wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Nick Vidal <nick at iss.im> wrote:
>>>  1. What do web APIs look like when translated to XMPP, and what new
>>>  interaction models does that enable?
>> We could very much relate AtomPub with PubSub. These two standards enable
>> users and agents to discover, subscribe, view and syndicate information in
>> an intuitive and non-obtrusive way.
> 
> The twitter api actually does this, albeit unofficially and with some
> warts. Alex has begun documenting the public timeline pubsub feed
> here:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/web/jabber-pubsub
> 
> but so far unreleased (but complete) is the actual PubSub (XEP-0060)
> API for subscribing to feeds. Authentication and interface design are
> the main blocking issues preventing Twitter from having this in the
> public.
> 
> FWIW, I don't think *publish* over XMPP makes sense in the context of
> Twitter until federation becomes a reality, since the design of
> clients is simplified by just using HTTP.

Yes I've thought about renaming the Atom-Over-XMPP spec "AtomSub". You
can publish however you want (AtomPub or some other technology), but the
notifications are best pushed out via XMPP (IMHO).

>>>>  2. Federated social networks over XMPP
>> I think ISS (Instant Syndicating Standards) provides a good framework
>> towards federated social networks over XMPP and HTTP. It's worth taking a
>> look.
> 
> Agreed - I must confess I'm not excited by the tag clouds / discovery,
> since I'm a big believer in simplest-possible-thing. HTTP has managed
> to get by with 3rd party discovery mechanisms that are built on top of
> the protocol layer (google, yahoo, etc) rather than inside the
> protocol layer. But in general, I think the patterns are sound and the
> key is the addressability, which XMPP provides where HTTP doesn't (in
> a guaranteed consistent way).

Speaking of which we need to standardize a <link rel=''/> for XMPP
nodes. Ralph, what were the results of your conversation with Dan
Brickley about the 'type' attribute? Shall we just leave that off?

Peter

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Peter Saint-Andre
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