From wayne.keenan at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 00:13:59 2009 From: wayne.keenan at gmail.com (Wayne Keenan) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:13:59 +0100 Subject: [Social] XMPP specs for TV / media centre remote control In-Reply-To: <4A9C567A.8060900@stpeter.im> References: <270858e90908280247x38a69059uaa71877bc516296a@mail.gmail.com> <4A9C567A.8060900@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <270858e90908312213ld9401f4x210b38811935aa5d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/28/09 3:47 AM, Wayne Keenan wrote: > >> I may have missed the point perhaps due to not being privvy to >> previous conversations that may have discounted this, but have you >> considered transporting something like DLNA Digital Media Controller >> (DMC) protocol over XMPP? ?As it's baked into a lot of media server >> and display devices. > > Is that an XML format? It's difficult to find information on the > dlna.org website. > There is an XML format and there are XML over HTTP and SOAP message support. I found it somewhat obscure when I looked about a year ago. But as DLNA is built upon UPnP these links that I bookmarked back then may help as a starting point: XML specs for the varoius classes of devices http://www.upnp.org/standardizeddcps/ (specifically 'Remoting', although the MediaServer maybe of interest too ) Some background: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457049.aspx Servers and Test tools: http://elinux.org/DLNA_Open_Source_Projects https://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/Resources Regards Wayne > Peter > > - -- > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkqcVnoACgkQNL8k5A2w/vwqkgCeIMmPjUETyZtefpBJ7w81snVl > /6QAoMJqgbxIx2/UsIdBYRhRAxTrWztA > =XrHO > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From dmeyer at tzi.de Tue Sep 8 09:56:30 2009 From: dmeyer at tzi.de (Dirk Meyer) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:56:30 +0200 Subject: [Social] XMPP specs for TV / media centre remote control In-Reply-To: (Dan Brickley's message of "Wed\, 26 Aug 2009 17\:24\:34 +0200") References: Message-ID: <87d461zdr5.fsf@phex.sachmittel.de> Dan Brickley wrote: > (Cc:'ing the XMPP Social list, ... to be , well, social. And in case > others are interested...) Sorry for the late answer. > We talked briefly at FOSDEM during the q/a for your presentation on > the XMPP day. I was wondering if you'd be interested to collaborate on > specs for remote control APIs mediated by XMPP. I understand you've > been focussing mainly on cross-cutting infrastructural issues > (security, device pairing and authentication). Right. My thesis the the XPMN core architecture based on XMPP. XPMN stands for Extended Private Media Networks. The core includes the end-to-end security layer and some ideas for client-to-client PEP for signaling status changes. > My day job is part of a 3 year EU project "NoTube" based on > exploration of relationship between TV and various Web technologies, > particularly around user profiles, personalisation, richer metadata. That is something I call profiles on top of the core. > One thing I'm trying to encourage the project to do is to explore XMPP > as a general information-bus between users, devices (handheld and TV / > media centre). I've bounced some ideas off of Ralph Meijer at > MediaMatic here in Amsterdam, and the rough idea is that a TV or media > centre would have a full Jabber JID, whereas user apps on a mobile > phone (EPG / programme guide / ratings and recommendations) might sign > into the XMPP world on behalf of their primary human user. But it's > clear from your slides you've given more thought to all this than I > have. It is not easy to write everything in a mail, but the basic idea is that a bare JID is one media network. Each device has a full JID. A service provider provides a service to a controller. The idea is similar to the UPnP architecture, I only use different names. > For querying a program guide, I think we'll probably explore using W3C > SPARQL query language, either via http or if xmpp makes sense then > along lines of http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html > .. the project includes the BBC as partners, and they have some SPARQL > databases for program content already, and we're using SPARQL to > access most other data within the project too. For my thesis I always use XMPP and no HTTP. How can you access a HTTP server on your recording PC at home behind a NAT with a dynamic IP address. Sure, we can do that, but the average user can't. So I always use XMPP for control messages and XEP-0265 for larger stanzas such as directory listings and I guess also program guides. XEP-0265 needs more love (and has many spelling and grammar error) but the basic idea works for me. > My hope is that - during the NoTube project which runs 2009-2011) > we'll see some simple spec for folk like Boxee, MythTV, Freevo, maybe > even Tivo, ... such that those media centre apps could attadch > themselves to a Jabber/XMPP network and allow suitably authorised > parties to play/pause/rewind, browse content listings, send > recommendations/ratings, navigate on-screen menus etc. That would be VERY cool. HTH, Dirk -- How can something be 'new and improved'? If it's new what was it improving on? From MyMugi at aol.com Tue Sep 22 20:28:10 2009 From: MyMugi at aol.com (MyMugi at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:28:10 EDT Subject: [Social] ?? Message-ID: what is this list and how did i get on it? Barbara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1f2ed5cd0909230237j6728600fx6b914cc0c46d7f9c@mail.gmail.com> Oh dear, I seem to be here as well. Hey ho. 2009/9/23 Lastwebpage : > > What list? > > > -- > Lastwebpage > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Lastwebpage's Profile: http://www.jabberforum.org/member.php?userid=41 > View this thread: http://www.jabberforum.org/showthread.php?t=2661 > > -- http://danny.ayers.name From stpeter at stpeter.im Wed Sep 30 11:32:43 2009 From: stpeter at stpeter.im (Peter Saint-Andre) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:32:43 -0600 Subject: [Social] W3 Social Web Incubator Group Message-ID: <4AC3882B.8090209@stpeter.im> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This morning I participated in a conference call of the Social Web Incubator Group at the W3C: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/ Folks on the call were very interested in XMPP and the role it can play in building the social web, so I'm sure that this is just the beginning of further conversation. If anyone on this list is interested in participating, I'd be happy to introduce you to the group chairs. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkrDiCsACgkQNL8k5A2w/vz+oQCeJSXz+cnonwkAot5L29BoWfBi m50AniDwDndkb04tReCk+QfcgaRxAEwt =+oB6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at cridland.net Wed Sep 30 16:52:36 2009 From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:52:36 +0100 Subject: [Social] W3 Social Web Incubator Group In-Reply-To: <4AC3882B.8090209@stpeter.im> References: <4AC3882B.8090209@stpeter.im> Message-ID: <9555.1254347556.818856@puncture> On Wed Sep 30 17:32:43 2009, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This morning I participated in a conference call of the Social Web > Incubator Group at the W3C: > > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/ > > Folks on the call were very interested in XMPP and the role it can > play > in building the social web, so I'm sure that this is just the > beginning > of further conversation. If anyone on this list is interested in > participating, I'd be happy to introduce you to the group chairs. I'm certainly interested. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade