[webteam] XML files for public transports

[Robert Martinez]

Sander Devrieze wrote:
>>>>  Since the setup of a transport means giving away credentials about your
>>>> account, you might not want to give those away to a random server so
>>>> quickly. You would need to explain users where this data is going to be
>>>> stored, this will be confusing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> I don't think most people care. Especially, as the transports in this
>>> list are verified by the jabber.org  procedures!! Anyway, it is up to
>>> the XMPP client how this should be implemented: instead of randomly
>>> selecting a public transport themselves, they also can tease the user
>>> with the choice to choose a server from a list.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>  I care. Switching to jabber should not imply to spill around your
>> credentials everywhere. We're supposed to make things better :).
>>     
>
> But you're not Aunt Tilly! ;-) And there are more Aunt Tillies than
> there are Robert Martinez'es, wether you like that or not.
>   
You didn't get my point here. In my eyes it  is a huge problem that too 
many users don't care about giving away their data. - I absolutely 
believe that there are many that don't care! - But we can agree that 
this isn't good - right?
>>  Transports as a feature are nice to have, and clearly you _have_ to give
>> way your credentials away.
>>  But doing it quickly without letting the user know of the implications
>> isn't a perfect solution.
>>     
>
> btw: I don't see the difference between giving your credentials to a
> closed network owner and between giving it to one of the transports on
> a list that went through a procedure of trust.
>   
When you create an account on MSN I guess it is obvious that Micrsosoft 
"pwwns" your data ;)
(Which I think we agree isn't perfect, your data should remain with you 
only  - as far as possible)

Now how don't you see a difference when there is an ADDITIONAL player 
that has your data, and on top of that you don't even know who that is!?
(or do you want to provide terms and conditions with every of your 
random servers?)
>>  I don't consider the transports as a true, reliable solution (not with
>> those instable small servers out there).
>>  So I also don't see the benefit of scripting stuff that won't be a solution
>> in the end.
>>     
>
> Obviously this will not save the world, but IMO it is one and
> relatively easy to implement measure to improve transport experience
> for users...so, a small first step to save the world ;-)
>
>   
This seems to be an ideological question.

Transport experience may be improved - But I would rather stick to 
improve actual XMPP employment.
There is still so much to do in order to make XMPP use "only" more 
comfortable. Why start there where we please our "customers" but do a 
bigger favor for MSN and Yahoo rather then ourselves?

Imho it is really "poor" if we achieve a really perfect transport 
experience, and XMPP gets known for THAT.
XMPP isn't a nice glue to the inferior IM systems - nor should we 
actively make it appear like it is.