[webteam] radical simplicity

[Robert Martinez]

Sander Devrieze wrote:
>> In my eyes this is pretty clear. We are the ones to do the talking and
>> showing here!
>> We need to tell people about their freedom,
>>     
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> People are not interested in this
>   
that's why we need to tell it.

>> We need to show how things in the xmpp world work,
>>     
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> People are not interested in this; it only should work and then
> they'll be happy. Note that the definition of "work" is that of the
> user of XMPP software; if he thinks it does not work because he can't
> chat with people on a walled garden network, he is right.
>
>   
I'm not interested in this. (Off topic)

>> We need to let other people talk to even more people!
>>     
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> Probably, but this point is a bit vague to me.
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Word-of-mouth advertising; large scale - not only "xmpp-nerd -> xmpp-nerd".
> IMO jabber.org should act like an umbrella to promote the XMPP brand:
> * no documentation at all (client projects can do that better)
> * few text
> * lots of up to date screenshots of clients (not older than the latest release)
> * lists of XMPP clients, XMPP compatible services, XMPP servers, XMPP libs,...
> * links to XMPP projects
>   
That's what I said - I guess you want to say we do need drupal for this, 
too?
> * an XMPP button programme (idea: XMPP projects and XMPP services can
> put a button on their website that links to a page on jabber.org, this
> page presents the user with basic information about interoperability
> and it links to lists of compatible software and services)
>   
If we do our job right this will happen automatically.
> So, the mission for jabber.org contributors would be easy:
> * try to make the lists as complete as possible (the current list
> lacks many software projects as not all projects have fanboys!)
> * keep the database of screenshots filled with up-to-date screenshots
> of all clients
> * create minimal but high quality texts to sustain the goal (=promote
> XMPP brand)
>
> <snip>
>
>   
>> They want to focus on presenting THEIR features - not the benefit of xmpp in
>> general.
>>     
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> THEIR features are the benefit of XMPP for end users ;-)
>   
If you think one user will always and only use one client you may be right.
But mostly XMPP has more to offer than one client is capable of doing.



Robert