On 31 Mar 2026, at 09:57, Goffi <goffi@goffi.org> wrote:

Le mardi 24 mars 2026, 15:55:41 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Goffi a écrit :

Hi,

Le mardi 10 mars 2026, 15:28:26 heure normale d’Europe centrale Daniel 

Gultsch 

a écrit :

The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP.
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/explicit-mentions.html

What bother me a bit here, is that everything happens for people already in 
the MUC.

One of the major thing I want to be able to do with mentions, is mentioning 
people outside of a room. So I can be in many rooms without being actively 
present there and receiving all messages, I may want just to check them when 
I'm mentioned.

Another thing, is that this specification is chat only. So what do we do for 
pubsub mentions? Do we need another spec?

Mentions from XEP-0372 handle both cases. So what is the plan? Replace 
XEP-0372 by this? Use both in parallel? Extend with other XEPs?

As a side note, I agree with Marvin that is should be at least 2 specs (one 
for Markup [XEP-0394] and one for message importance). And with the general 
complexity of the current version, maybe more.

I like the general idea of being able to mention by affiliation of hats.


Best,
Goffi

Hi,

I didn't get any feedback, but with my council hat, this is important to know 
the whole picture before casting my vote.

To be clear: I'm sympathetic to specification, and grateful to the work done in 
this contribution. However, some parts are redundant with XEP-0372.

I've thought a bit about it, and I actually think that both use cases are 
necessary:

- explicit mentions are more efficient for people already in the MUC, as there 
is not extra message, and they can specify who is mentioned.

- I think that it's necessary to be able to mention people not in the room, or 
sort of "registered" to a room, but not present at the time of the mention. In 
this case, the MUC service could use XEP-0372 to mention them.
Not being physically present in a room and receiving mention can have huge 
benefits when following large room.

- XEP-0372 can also be used with Pubsub, which is, with my client developer 
hat, a very important feature to me.

So there is room for both. However, there should not be 2 different ways of 
marking the location of the mention, it should use XEP-0372 (maybe an updated 
version of it) and made compatible with XEP-0394 (without making XEP-0394 
mandatory).

All of that is not blocking to go to experimental and have an official number, 
but if time flies and people start to implement, it's important to have those 
concerns addressed as fast as possible.

I would really appreciate to have some feedback here before our meeting this 
afternoon if possible (BTW, time has changed in many countries, so local 
meeting time may be different for anybody willing to attend).