Problem with the mailing list
Good day! Am I the only one to not receive emails that are sent by Mr. Jérôme Poisson? (Email "goffi") Kind regards, Schimon
Goffi's emails are frequently marked as spam in my inbox. Maybe the same is happening to you? Op di 29 okt 2024 08:42 schreef Schimon Jehudah <sch@fedora.email>:
Good day!
Am I the only one to not receive emails that are sent by Mr. Jérôme Poisson? (Email "goffi")
Kind regards, Schimon _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list -- standards@xmpp.org To unsubscribe send an email to standards-leave@xmpp.org
Le mardi 29 octobre 2024, 09:13:43 heure normale d’Europe centrale Guus der Kinderen a écrit :
Goffi's emails are frequently marked as spam in my inbox. Maybe the same is happening to you?
Op di 29 okt 2024 08:42 schreef Schimon Jehudah <sch@fedora.email>:
Good day!
Am I the only one to not receive emails that are sent by Mr. Jérôme Poisson? (Email "goffi")
Kind regards, Schimon _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list -- standards@xmpp.org To unsubscribe send an email to standards-leave@xmpp.org
Shoot! I'm self hosting my emails, but I have everything set (DKIM, DMARC, etc.), I have 10/10 at https://www.mail-tester.com, I own my domain for 20+ years . I don't know what else I can do.
Hey Goffi, (And apologies for the off-topic post) Your message fails DKIM and DMARC, probably because it's passing through the mailing list, and DMARC/DKIM broke mailing lists rather badly. (There's a vast amount of politics and big business behind this breakage, and I am willing to rant for literally hours over it, but perhaps for another time). The solution seems to be to ensure the mailing list system detects DKIM/DMARC and, if needed, change the sender. If this sounds like an awful hack to you, you'd be right, but it seems to be all we have. I understand the mailing lists might be moving to a different provider soon, so perhaps this gets fixed by the change? You could also change your DKIM/DMARC stuff to only soft-fail, I believe, since it's currently a hard fail and this would explain why some mail providers drop the message entirely, rather than "only" redirecting it to Spam. [image: image.png] I do respect you for trying to self-host email, despite how insanely hard that's becoming. I'm supposedly meant to know about these things, and I gave up some time ago. Dave. On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 at 08:45, Goffi <goffi@goffi.org> wrote:
Le mardi 29 octobre 2024, 09:13:43 heure normale d’Europe centrale Guus der Kinderen a écrit :
Goffi's emails are frequently marked as spam in my inbox. Maybe the same is happening to you?
Op di 29 okt 2024 08:42 schreef Schimon Jehudah <sch@fedora.email>:
Good day!
Am I the only one to not receive emails that are sent by Mr. Jérôme Poisson? (Email "goffi")
Kind regards, Schimon _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list -- standards@xmpp.org To unsubscribe send an email to standards-leave@xmpp.org
Shoot! I'm self hosting my emails, but I have everything set (DKIM, DMARC, etc.), I have 10/10 at https://www.mail-tester.com, I own my domain for 20+ years . I don't know what else I can do. _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list -- standards@xmpp.org To unsubscribe send an email to standards-leave@xmpp.org
Hi Dave, Thanks a lot for your answer. Le mardi 29 octobre 2024, 10:22:34 heure normale d’Europe centrale Dave Cridland a écrit :
[SNIP]
The solution seems to be to ensure the mailing list system detects DKIM/DMARC and, if needed, change the sender. If this sounds like an awful hack to you, you'd be right, but it seems to be all we have. I understand the mailing lists might be moving to a different provider soon, so perhaps this gets fixed by the change?
Yeah, that was the consensus on xsf@ muc too: wait and see if the new infrastructure fixes my issue.
You could also change your DKIM/DMARC stuff to only soft-fail, I believe, since it's currently a hard fail and this would explain why some mail providers drop the message entirely, rather than "only" redirecting it to Spam.
I'll check my settings, thanks for the tip.
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I do respect you for trying to self-host email, despite how insanely hard that's becoming. I'm supposedly meant to know about these things, and I gave up some time ago.
That's also one of the main reasons why I'm working on XMPP, and I'm avoiding platforms like WhatsApp or Signal, but it comes at a cost (in terms of maintenance issues like this one, time, or information loss). Best, Goffi
The solution seems to be to ensure the mailing list system detects DKIM/DMARC and, if needed, change the sender. If this sounds like an awful hack to you, you'd be right, but it seems to be all we have. I understand the mailing lists might be moving to a different provider soon, so perhaps this gets fixed by the change?
Currently our lists detect and verify dkim/dmarc and re-sign with ARC but it seems some providers are still not reading the ARC headers properly. I wanted at one point to add a Sender header with re-signed DKIM but mailman3 doesn't support that, preferring to push ARC adoption or else fall back to the full from-header rewriting and enveloping style.
Le mardi 29 octobre 2024, 10:22:34 heure normale d’Europe centrale Dave Cridland a écrit :
You could also change your DKIM/DMARC stuff to only soft-fail, I believe, since it's currently a hard fail and this would explain why some mail providers drop the message entirely, rather than "only" redirecting it to Spam.
It seems that updating my DMARC policy from `reject` to `none` did the trick, thanks a lot for the suggestion! And thanks to Schimon for raising the issue, and other replies. Best, Goffi
(Offlist) I’ve observed it happening for years, I thought I messaged you years ago — but it might be someone else and I never fired off that email :) (You’re one of exactly two people on two different mailing lists that I do know had a correct, safe setup broken by mailing lists, and I had to dig your emails out of Spam on my custom domain Gmail. Still doesn’t make them appear in my main Gmail, since I’d have to do an IMAP copy, but eh.) Thanks for looking at it! Sent from Gmail Mobile On Tue 29 Oct 2024 at 15:37, Goffi <goffi@goffi.org> wrote:
Le mardi 29 octobre 2024, 10:22:34 heure normale d’Europe centrale Dave Cridland a écrit :
You could also change your DKIM/DMARC stuff to only soft-fail, I believe, since it's currently a hard fail and this would explain why some mail providers drop the message entirely, rather than "only" redirecting it to Spam.
It seems that updating my DMARC policy from `reject` to `none` did the trick, thanks a lot for the suggestion! And thanks to Schimon for raising the issue, and other replies.
Best, Goffi_______________________________________________ Standards mailing list -- standards@xmpp.org To unsubscribe send an email to standards-leave@xmpp.org
Good news! I want to confirm that I have received this email message! This is the first email of Jérôme that I receive from the mailing-list. I am subscribed to this list for a few months or so. Regards, Schimon On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:37:41 +0100 Goffi <goffi@goffi.org> wrote:
Le mardi 29 octobre 2024, 10:22:34 heure normale d’Europe centrale Dave Cridland a écrit :
You could also change your DKIM/DMARC stuff to only soft-fail, I believe, since it's currently a hard fail and this would explain why some mail providers drop the message entirely, rather than "only" redirecting it to Spam.
It seems that updating my DMARC policy from `reject` to `none` did the trick, thanks a lot for the suggestion! And thanks to Schimon for raising the issue, and other replies.
Best, Goffi
Guus, thank you for the respond. It might. My account has a "Junk" folder, and it appears to always be empty. I will contact my provider. Best regards, Schimon On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 09:13:43 +0100 Guus der Kinderen <guus.der.kinderen@gmail.com> wrote:
Goffi's emails are frequently marked as spam in my inbox. Maybe the same is happening to you?
Op di 29 okt 2024 08:42 schreef Schimon Jehudah <sch@fedora.email>:
Good day!
Am I the only one to not receive emails that are sent by Mr. Jérôme Poisson? (Email "goffi")
Kind regards, Schimon _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list -- standards@xmpp.org To unsubscribe send an email to standards-leave@xmpp.org
Jérôme. Good day! We might want to thank to the state or even to the ones who are responssible for attempting to sabotage email functionality, because such incidents have been motivating me to join to XMPP and even more idiotic incidents, from the side of the regime which I am a subject of, have further extend my involvement with more XMPP projects that I did not even imagine. So, we are good! ';-)
Shoot! I'm self hosting my emails, but I have everything set (DKIM, DMARC, etc.), I have 10/10 at https://www.mail-tester.com, I own my domain for 20+ years . I don't know what else I can do.
We can host our own email instances, instead of using broken email instances from the fearful, scared, greedy companies, that have nothing to do than being pathetic babies for 30 years in order to be a "manager", if ever, for only 5 - 10 years and a swimming pool. But they compromise for a jacuzzi, because they do not even know how to swim. Goffi, also note that the regime which I am from has an interest to undermine XMPP in favour of its own metadata-disaster spin-off, so it might be they the state fiddles with my email traffic too. As lawyer for over a decade, I have observed many incidents of internet traffic manipulation here, in addition to knowing of former state employees who have told me about it, and it is done freely without any legal authorization. So, it might be an issue which is caused by local ISPs. Most of my activity is on I2P, but due to this situation, I intend to start an email instance of my own or add an additional provider. Schimon
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Stephen Paul Weber