[Council] proto-JEP: Message Archiving

Matthew A. Miller linuxwolf at outer-planes.net
Fri Apr 30 10:46:15 CDT 2004

Well, since we're expressing our interpretations of the proto-JEP stage...

I had thought the purpose to seeking council approval (or is that lack 
of disapproval?) was to reduce the number of "dead-end JEPs".  So far, 
I've seen two primary causes:
1) JEPs that have little or no interest in the community
2) JEPs that have serious technical deficiencies (such as lack of reuse, 
does too much, too complex, etc).

Personally, I think the full JSF membership (at the least) would better 
determine cause 1, while we (theoretically) are best suited to determine 
cause 2.  In fact, I was under the impression from our own discussions 
that we would establish the protocol wiki to allow ideas to cultivate 
until something "standards quality" emerged.  Since I don't recall 
seeing a post to standards-jig and/or an addition to the wiki about it, 
I also thought it fair for us to voice concerns now.

-  LW

Thomas Muldowney wrote:

> On Apr 29, 2004, at 8:27 PM, Robert Norris wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 07:06:54AM -0500, Thomas Muldowney wrote:
>>> I have a problem.  This seems to completely disregard 13 and not work
>>> with it at all.  I would like to see an attempt at integration with
>>> that, or actual discussion about why that is completely not possible,
>>> preferably on the wiki.
>> Agreed. But, surely thats for discussion on standards-jig, once we've
>> accepted the JEP?
>> I'd be interested in clarifying exactly what the point of Council
>> approval of a JEP before it is published is. It can't actually be for
>> protocol review - I think of it more as "do we see a need for this".
>> IMO, it would be good to have a JEP for message archiving. That should
>> be enough to get this thing published. Anything else is for s-jig and us
>> to discuss later.
>> Rob.
>> -- 
>> Robert Norris                                       GPG: 1024D/FC18E6C2
>> Email+Jabber: rob at cataclysm.cx                Web: http://cataclysm.cx/
> I discussed this at length with Justin, and I thought our (council) 
> previous discussions were coming to agreement to not completely accept 
> JEPs until they reach a further state.  Part of the reason that we 
> have so many dead and dieing JEPs is just accepting ideas into the 
> process.  Even when talking with Justin he told me this JEP is just a 
> bit of an idea that he had, he knew of JEP-13 and wanted to look into 
> it, but he wanted to get it out there.  Well, why not get it out there 
> on the wiki and standards?  Is this an idea that's larger than one 
> person or are there others that are actually interested in using and 
> implementing it?  If they are, how would they do it?  Processing like 
> that would really help us proceed with much more thorough and fast 
> moving JEPs.  I think that rambling conveys my point.  Any questions, 
> comments?
> --temas
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