[Council] Council Minutes 2018-02-07

Dave Cridland dave at cridland.net
Mon Feb 12 14:30:07 UTC 2018


On 7 February 2018 at 17:13, Dave Cridland <dave at cridland.net> wrote:
> 1) Roll Call - http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:02:01
>
> Kev sent apologies. [Kev is to vote on-list for all items]
>
> All others present.
>
> Dave asked if anyone was willing to take minutes, and was a bit
> disappointed by the lack of response. He figures if he writes them
> badly enough someone else will take it on.
>
> 2) Advance XEP-0363 to Draft - http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:04:07
>
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html
>
> Georg noted an issue with header encodings he has already noted on
> list. He suspects a security issue is possible here which might allow
> an XMPP server to infiltrate a corporate network in some cases. While
> not totally confident this is exploitable, he believes it should be
> noted in the Security Considerations prior to Advancement.
>
> Georg's issues are here:
> https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2017-November/033936.html
>
> Dave noted he had missed some feedback on list, and would therefore
> read this before voting.
>

-1 : I think we need substantive improvements in the  in Security
Considerations before we can advance this.

> Sam and Daniel both +1.
> Georg -1 (as above: feedback to be addressed)
>
> 3) Advance XEP-0352 to Draft - http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:11:22
>
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html
>
> Georg noted the loose wording in §3.2. Dave and Sam both argued that
> this was a feature not a bug.
>
> Sam and Daniel both +1, Georg 0.
>
> Dave noted outstanding feedback from Kev, and is voting -1 until he
> understands what Kev wishes to do. (ie, this is a holding veto to
> avoid the specification advancing by default if Kev doesn't vote for
> some reason).
>
> 4) Advance XEP-0234 to Draft - http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:15:32
>
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html
>
> Daniel has outstanding feedback on this specification from Last Call.
>
> Dave, Sam, Georg +1.
> Daniel -1 (as above: feedback to be addressed)
>
> 5) Advance XEP-0186 to Draft - http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:17:55
>
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html
>
> All present +1
>
> 6) XEP-0198 handling of mismatched h value -
> http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:19:36
>
> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579 and list discussion.
>
> Dave felt this needs to specify a particular stream error, and could
> probably be a SHOULD rather than MUST [thus demonstrating he should
> read the PR before making stupid suggestions as the latter is there
> already, sorry!].
>
> Georg asked if Council should vote on the exact wording or just its
> merit. Dave opined that Council must vote on the technical content of
> the change.
>
> Georg, Sam, Daniel all +1
> Dave -1 for reasons noted above.
>
> 7) [ If time allows ] Post-summit discussion -
> http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:23:08
>
> Georg noted that he'd like Server Operators to sign the Spam Fighting
> Manifesto found at
> https://gist.github.com/ge0rg/2e4accf6950821ca45f743fdf587c08e
>
> Dave asked if Georg wanted Council to make any statement on this, and
> Georg asked what kind of statement Council could make. Dave suggested
> Council could make a statement about anything.
>
> Dave proposed the motion that Council thanks the Summit sponsors and organisers.
>
> All present voted +1.
>
> Given Kev's clear conflict of interest - he is one of the subjects of
> the thanks - Dave has sneakily bypassed his vote and Council therefore
> duly thanks the organisers and sponsors of the Summit for their
> support and hard work.
>
> 8) AOB - http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:29:00
>
> Sam noted that XHTML-IM is still up for deprecation. Save promised to
> place this on next week's agenda, and moreover to flag this on the
> standards list. Dave apologised for letting this slip another week,
> and thanked Sam for his patience here.
>
> 9) Next Meeting - http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:29:23
>
> The next meeting shall be held on Wednesday 14th February 2018 at 1600
> UTC. Bring roses.
>
> 10) Ite, Meeting Est - http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-07/#16:31:25


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