[JDEV] Jabber Client feature question: scripting

Thomas D. Charron tcharron at my-deja.com
Fri Aug 6 12:39:15 CDT 1999

  Hey, I have a question..  Have you done any development with Perl on Win32?

Thomas Charron

On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:26:40    James A. Hillyerd wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Allen Short wrote:
>> >My question is: what scripting language would you want to use to customize a
>> >Jabber client?
>> GUILE! Guile is the up-and-coming extension language; it has the advantage of 
>> being designed for the purpose unlike, f'rex, Perl. Plus, it's more civilized
>> than JavaScript. ;^) I do not know how easy it would be to embed Guile into a
>> Java program, but I hope to see *some* client use it; AFAIK it's a C library.
>First, to qualify my statements:  I've been developing in Perl for
>years.  I've been developing in Java for over a year.  I've been
>developing in Python for about 6 months.  I've also spent a few months on
>a C project.  I've used both client and server side JavaScript on a large
>project.  Rexx was my first programming language (assuming you don't count
>I have read books on Eiffel and Tcl, and didn't really like either of
>them.  I haven't spent any time reading about Lisp/Scheme, but I would
>like to.
>In theory, I would also recommend Guile, because part of it's mission is
>to allow script authors to use any language via scheme plugins that
>translate that other language to scheme.   So far, I haven't actually seen
>that been done for any of the popular scripting languages, ie: perl,
>python, tcl.  I haven't been following Guile very hard, but I do feel that
>expecting a slightly above average user to learn Scheme/Lisp just to
>customize his client is unreasonable.
>Assuming that we also want a scripting language that can be used on Unix,
>Mac and Windows.  Also assuming that we also want a scripting language
>that can be embedded in both a C program and a Java program (pure Java,
>not a C plugin)...  That narrows it down to Tcl and Python.  I think
>JavaScript might be included here, but I don't know if there are
>compatible C/Java versions, let alone free (speech) ones. 
>Assuming that we want a fairly easy to learn scripting language, one that
>both experienced developers can code zillions of lines of code in, as well
>as someone that's never scripted before being able to change a color here
>or a font there.  I'd have to recommend Python.  It is the easiest
>language I've ever learned, yet it's more powerful than many other
>languages, and quite easy to read.  It also was designed to be object
>oriented from the start, so it makes it easier to expose a clean
>interface to the guts of the client.  Tcl was designed for people that
>have done a lot of unix shell scripting, which seems a little biased to
>me, windows and mac users aren't going to have any experience with it.
>The only weird thing about Python is that it forces you to use indentation
>to denote blocks of code, but now that I've used it for a while, I think
>it's a very elegant solution, you never get indentation and
>brackets/begin&end statements confused.
>Anyway, that's my $0.02
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