[jdev] Ok, here's my tiny little Perl script
jtalbot at proionta.gr
Thu Sep 29 13:17:42 CDT 2005
Tijl Houtbeckers wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:57:04 +0200, John Talbot <jtalbot at proionta.gr>
>> That is very surprising. Since Perl probably has nothing to do with the
>> unicode here, the culprit has to be jabberd then. I'll try to upgrade
>> (though I use the apt-get system for which the most recent versions
>> don't always exist).
> Back up a second there ;) Perl is notorious for being bad with
> unicode, wether that's a repuation still deserved I don't know, but it
> was justified in the past. And afaik never in the history of jabberd
> has there been such a serious problem with UTF-8 handeling.
You are absolutely right. I tried using another public jabber server,
before installing one myself, and same malfunction happened.
I even tried Psi, and that didn't make it work either.
> I think you should consider first:
> - is the file UTF-8? (you seem to have this covered)
> - is your version of Perl configured right to read unicode UTF-8files..
I'm not sure about this... Perl can get configured? During compile time
you mean? Also I didn't think that Perl could have anything to do with
this, because the libraries (Net::XMPP::etc and Net::Jabber::etc) don't
contain the string 'utf8' anywhere, so I was guessing that these
libraries were just passing whatever data they found inside the <body>
tags without regard for utf8 compliance... but I guess I was wrong?
> - *and* to use unicode for string handeling by default
No, it doesn't have that (and 5.8.6 has that?). It has got to be Perl's
fault, but perhaps there's a way to avoid installing a second version of
Perl on my system (I've got to keep the old one too, so many .debs are
dependent on it in some way) - is this advice you're giving accurate?
i.e. are newer versions of Perl handling unicode by default? If so,
maybe I can just plug a 'use utf8;' command or type-in some CLI switch
and make it all happen...
And what do you mean by Perl being able to read unicode files right?
Aren't utf8 files just a series of bytes in Perl's eyes, just like any
> - do you have the most recent Net::Jabber
Yes, and there's only two versions of Net::Jabber (0.1 and 1.0) so all
have the same.
> Not critizing you or anything, but I'm worried you'll loose a lot of
> time accomplishing very little trying to find a UTF-8 bug in jabberd.
> Jabberd's unicode handeling is independant of how your system is
> setup, how you build it, etc. The same can not be said for Perl. If
> you're still not convinced it's not jabberd, try another server (a
> public one).
Yes, and thanks, you did save me. Installing jabberd 1.4.4 was the next
thing I was going to do... but it's Perl's fault actually :-)
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