[jdev] conversing with multiple users, but not MUC

Nathan Fritz nathanfritz at gmail.com
Thu Jun 19 01:18:09 CDT 2008

Really, this is a client implementation issue.  You see the MUC room as too
formal, when in fact, they're completely throw-away, and the client could
handle it behind the scenes.  Generate a random chat room, invite everyone
in, have your conversation, and leave easily, without the formal interface
of a full-on MUC room.  This is one of the disadvantages of XMPP not being
tightly integegrated with a service (anyone can run XMPP in whatever way
they want), so it seems to me that there needs to be a proceedural XEP and
maybe some service discovery for default place on the server to make
throw-away MUC rooms so that the client doesn't have to be configured for a
particular MUC component and doesn't have to assume either.

In short, yes, MUC is the way to do it, and that's what it's there to
partially serve.  There just needs to be a way for clients to distinguish
formal rooms with informal ones, and I think your feature request would be

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Toby Schaffer <jts at adc.idt.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to get Jabber going at my company for IM and chat, and so far
> it's working ok. But one major roadblock is the lack of the ability to
> have an n-way conversation (eg, I want to talk to two coworkers, and
> only those two, and have all three of us see all the replies) without
> using a chat room. It appears XEP-0033 (extended stanza addressing)
> describes a way to do this with email-style cc and bcc. However, I can't
> find any server - or even a client - which supports this. How do people
> hold n-way conversations now? I was told in one forum that everyone just
> uses MUC, but it seems very awkward to have to create or modify a room
> to have a conversation with a given set of multiple recipients. Am I
> missing something obvious? Thanks.
> --
> Toby Schaffer
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