[Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role

Rich Braman - Audiencebank Rich at audiencebank.com
Thu Aug 9 11:30:46 CDT 2001


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Braman - Audiencebank
To: 'Max Metral '
Sent: 8/9/01 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role

Its not that hard to get Jabber.org's server to be scalable.  Once you
have XDB tied running on some sort of SQL Server you can farm the
jabberd boxes behind a persistant connection load balancer, because they are
all tied to the same data source, no?
Thats what we have done for desktopdollars and it seems to work fine.



-----Original Message-----
From: Max Metral
To: 'members at jabber.org'
Sent: 8/9/01 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role

THAT I agree with.  There can be under the covers mapping, in fact
that's
one of the key ways we scale I'd imagine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bauer [mailto:bauer at jabber.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:26 PM
To: 'members at jabber.org'
Subject: RE: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role



Isn't this just the DNS problem all over again?  Why can't there be some
kind of identity component, perhaps a combination of enhanced versions
of
JUD and S2S, map max at peoplepc.com to max at colorado.peoplepc.com?

I presume the answer to the question is no, things don't work that way,
so
I'm looking forward to some education.

:)

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Metral [mailto:Max.Metral at peoplepchq.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:12 AM
To: 'members at jabber.org'
Subject: RE: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role


No, not all do.  AOL, MSN for example (not that they matter in this
case).
PeoplePC, large but not at that scale, doesn't either.  Nobody wants to
have
max at colorado.peoplepc.com...

-----Original Message-----
From: johnston at megaepic.com [mailto:johnston at megaepic.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:06 AM
To: members at jabber.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role


Well, large ISPs usually break things down into cities and stuff, no? I
mean, @home sure does. Could we design a gateway server that keeps
records
of what user is on what server and forwards appropriatly?

Mat.

On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 07:26:20AM -0700, Max Metral wrote:
> Your example works for internal use maybe, but what about an ISP with
a
> couple hundred thousand users, or EBay or any of those sorts?  Right
now
> .org is not an option for that.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnston at megaepic.com [mailto:johnston at megaepic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:09 AM
> To: members at jabber.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role
> 
> 
> Well, large organizations tend to be just that, organizations...
generally
> there have already been divisions made up between departments and
offices,
> etc. In this respect, the jabber system scales pretty well (even
though
one
> particular server may not) since you can have user at dept.company.com or
> something along those lines. It would of course be good to improve the
> server whenever possible, but a huge number of users do not need to be
> supported as an inital design goal; rather, a more appropriate design
goal
> would be to minimize the effort required to improve upward scalability
> should it be required. What kinds of things would stop the jabber
server
> from scaling to large user counts? If these things are identified, why
can
> they not be fixed? Are there large compromises between management
effort
and
> scalability?
> 
> Mat.
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