[Foundation] Bootstrapping the Foundation

Michael Bauer bauer at jabber.com
Thu Jun 14 15:38:34 CDT 2001

Well, first, you don't have to work for Jabber to participate in these
meetings - you just need to be able to get out from behind your firewall.
The conferences are being held on jabber.org and are attended by more people
than work for Jabber.com, Inc.  I think the firewall issues (combined with
the server-to-server latency issue) is bringing two things to the fore.

First, because every Member can't actually reach the conference server at
all, I don't think we can really "vote" on anything of substantial relevance
to the entire Membership.  All that can be done in these meetings is that we
can discuss and refine the issues and bring them to a vote by the entire
Membership.  If you can't make these meetings, you'll have review the agenda
beforehand and send your opinions to the list.  We'll reflect those opinions
in the meeting.

For those of you that have problems with server-to-server lag I think the
best thing to do for now is to get a jabber id on jabber.org and connect a
client directly to the server.  We need to centralize all of the discussions
and logging on the jabber.org server for now.

As for the voting system, yes, this will be for the entire Membership as
well.  Again, we need to ask everyone to send your jid to temas at jabber.org
from the original registering email address to get setup on the voting

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, Jim (EER) [mailto:PowellJF at navair.navy.mil]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:10 PM
To: members at jabber.org
Subject: RE: [Foundation] Bootstrapping the Foundation

Not to sound rude (trust me, that is not my intent), but many of us do not
work for Jabber and are stuck behind fire walls because these meetings are
held during normal business hours.  I would love to attend a meeting real
time instead of reading the log and replying to the issues that I feel are
relevant after the fact (sometimes after a decision has been made).  I
realize that no time is ever going to be good for everyone, but for most of
us, normal business hours are not an option.

As for voting, I feel that some system should be set up for the entire
foundation to vote (which I know you are already working on for the council
vote), unless the vote is set aside for the council, or the Board of

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bauer [mailto:bauer at jabber.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:45 PM
To: 'members at jabber.org'
Subject: [Foundation] Bootstrapping the Foundation

As with any bootstrapping process, we are faced with something of a paradox
in establishing the Foundation.  Decisions need to be made about the
operation of the Foundation but the formal process for making those
decisions is not yet in place.  For example, the draft by-laws are being
modified to formally incorporate the technical decision-making body called
the "Jabber Council" within the Jabber Foundation.  According to the current
draft by-laws, however, the Board of Directors should bring forward
resolutions to change the by-laws and then such changes are voted on by the
Membership.  Without a Board of Directors, this is a little hard to do.  :)

In addition, we have 94 members currently signed up as Members of the
Foundation.  We've been holding weekly text conferences that have been
attended by roughly around 20 people.  Some "decisions" are being made in
these forums that might not be appropriate since we don't have a "quorom" of
all Members in these meetings.  Add to that the by-laws need to be changed
again to even allow meetings to be "legally" conducted through electronic
means we're not even clear we can even have these meetings!

In some sense, all this is moot because the Foundation hasn't even been
formally incorporated.  Regardless of when the Foundation is incorporated
there seems to be a lot of good coming from these meetings and the Members
mailing list.  We're developing a protocol enhancement process.  We're
establishing a set of focused interest groups.  We're adopting a protocol
review and approval process.  Frankly, no matter how the Foundation
ultimately ends up, the mere process of formulating it is providing some
lasting value.

So, I for now, if anyone has any major issues they'd like the Members to
vote on, let's do that.  There are a few issues that I know need to go
before the Members - like, should we put some further requirements on the
need for Members participation or should we allow the Jabber Council to
decide what JIGs are established.  If you have anymore, let me know.

The first vote I'd like to put forward is whether this concept of voting on
major issues is a good place to start!  
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