[Foundation] I wish there was no Foundation

Thomas Muldowney temas at box5.net
Fri Jun 29 00:44:56 CDT 2001

This argument is disturbing to me on so many points and I feel I'll stay 
fairly quiet, except for the point of j.c not wishing to help us.  Diz and I 
started Jabelin scared that j.c would see it as a conflict of interest, and
then Diz would be pulled from helping on it.  That didn't happen.  We've had
nothing but a warm reception and hopes that we will be able to achieve a product
that is usable by the open source world and as a value added central point as a
jabber.com product.  So that front feels very promising and exciting.

As to allegations of them not sharing that's just utter nonsense.  Their major
and necessary enhancements have come back into the project, the exact same as
from other people.  It's really grating to go through this time and time again.


On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 04:30:37PM -0700, Harold E. Gottschalk Jr. wrote:
> Tomas,
> I believe you did not understand my point's,  My point was not that
> jabber.com should not exist, but we should develop jointly instead of
> separately.  Jabber.com would make money from support services and add-ons
> to the server and clients.
> Just to make it clear I have always expounded that Jabber.com has the right
> to make money from their effort and should.
> heg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-admin at jabber.org [mailto:members-admin at jabber.org]On Behalf Of
> Tomas Mrkvicka
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:14 PM
> To: 'members at jabber.org'
> Subject: RE: [Foundation] I wish there was no Foundation
> > Jabber.com is off building their own proprietary version of the same
> > software that jabber.org/Foundation is.  What a waste of resources and
> > time!!!  We both want the most reliable scalable sever
> No this is not, Harold. I dont know how is situation in your country but
> in my country you simply cant come to the bank or other big corporation
> and say: "hey, i have a great IM software for your organisation. its an
> open source and its free." Some big institutions simply dont trust to
> open source or they need some special features and this is a place for
> j.c server or other products.
> Ask yourself: Can you do all the PR work for jabber? Are you able to
> promote the technology bussiness way? No, you cant. Open source
> developers often forgot this but PR and company agreements and another
> marketing tools are very important to every project. We are not in 1993
> when WWW started. Situation is different and im not feared to say we (as
> a foundation) need j.c. Jabber is a great technology and its our best
> intention to get it as widely adopted as we can. j.c can do a lot of
> work on this.
> to.mikk
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