[Foundation] I wish there was no Foundation

DJ Adams dj.adams at pobox.com
Fri Jun 29 03:42:21 CDT 2001


On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 03:27:10PM -0700, Harold E. Gottschalk Jr. wrote:
> 
> I believe it would have been best if Jabber.com would not of created a
> foundation at all!  I think it is a real shame that their is multiple
> efforts going on to achieve the same objective.

Hello heg

Different implementation efforts are inevitable and for the good, on the
whole. That's one of the major driving forces behind Jabelin, for example.
And the Foundation in my mind is certainly a good thing; I'd even go so
far as to say that the existence of JCS (Jabber Commercial Server) in 
parallel to the jabber.org implementation right now, makes the best argument
*for* the Foundation - to coordinate and guide. 

> The objective being to create a the best open source IM and XML messaging
> platform.

I certainly agree there :-)

> Jabber.com is off building their own proprietary version of the same
> software that jabber.org/Foundation is.  What a waste of resources and
> time!!!  We both want the most reliable scalable sever platform for Jabber
> we should be working together on this.

Well, IMHO a 'better' goal is to build, strengthen, promote and defend
Jabber as a *protocol/technology*, not as a *particular server implementation*.

I think it was Brian Behlendorf that said (and rightly) that what's important
in the 'Open' world is /protocol/ more than /source/. Now while this debate
is less about the open source-ness of Jabber, I still think it's a useful
point here. A few weeks ago we were talking about what was meant by the
word 'Jabber'. I think that it refers to the philosophy, ideas, protocols
and technology. And this is what the Foundation is (in my mind) for. The
implementations are, in a way, secondary. Look at the JIGs to see my point:
they are concerned with how things are supposed to work, development of the
protocols, and standards compliance. 

And bravo to Jabber.com for being involved in this initiative.

> I am sorry if I offend anyone with my views in the past, Today and in the
> future.

No offence taken, and none meant :-)

dj



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