[Foundation] Last Call standards

Justin Kirby justin at openaether.org
Sat Dec 14 03:59:10 CST 2002

While all the suggestions are perfectly fine. Personally I would like to
see something like this as the method to bring a jep to last call and
presentation to the council......

 1. Author (or JSF member) consults with jep editor about going forward
 2. jep editor says ok
 3. jep editor issues request for "sponsor" from council
 4. sponsor then rounds up 5% JSF members to second

This has several benefits, it puts the initiating power back to the
author and JSF members. It gives the JEP Editor control to stop
frivolous last calls. Plus it involves the council early on in the

One addition which might be useful is that the dissenters of the Last
Call can not exceed 1/3 of the approvals. If the dissenters are more
than 1/3 then the JEP must address the issues before initiating another
Last Call.



On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 11:41, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Dave Smith wrote:
> > DTCP is at Last Call stage because a couple of people proposed it as 
> > such. That does _not_ mean it _should_ be at Last Call stage -- indeed, 
> > I would argue that the barrier to "Last Call" should be significantly 
> > higher. 
> IMHO the old system (essentially a JEP Editor autocracy) was not broken,
> but we fixed it anyway because we wanted to make sure that there was some
> level of community interest before proceeding to Last Call. Now, however,
> we've lost the previous check of the JEP actually being ready for prime
> time (which was negotiated between the JEP Editor and the author, with the
> JEP Editor often consulting with Council members).
> During the tenure of the first Council we didn't have the Last Call
> process, but there was an effort to get the Council members more involved
> earlier on to make sure that a proposal was sound before proceeding (e.g.,
> Dave Smith proposed that a Council member write a "report" on each JEP
> before it could given a number and then published). That idea never took
> off, but I do think it would be good to get some feedback from the Council
> before moving to Last Call.
> One possible solution is that only Council members could propose the Last
> Call. This would force Council members to read and review the JEP before
> it goes to Last Call, since in essence the proposing Council member would
> act as a sponsor for the JEP. I don't think Council members would do that
> without first consulting with other Council members, because their
> technical reputation would be on the line. This would also force JEP
> authors to communicate with Council members earlier in the process (IMHO
> such communication has been lacking). Once a JEP was proposed for Last
> Call by a Council member, 5% of the JSF membership would still need to
> second the proposal as we are doing now (thus retaining the "democratic"
> aspect of consent from the community). I feel that this would introduce
> some checks and balances into the process -- it's not autocratic as in the
> past (much as I yearn for the good old days of absolute power :) nor fully
> democratic as we have now, but a good mix of both (the Council is like the
> Senate and the JSF members are like the House of Representatives).
> A system such as this would be my strong preference going forward.
> Peter
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