[Foundation] Controversial?

Mike Lin mikelin at MIT.EDU
Wed Aug 13 08:37:59 CDT 2003

this should not be a very controversial proposal because it's not 
really possible. xmpp as it exists today cannot practically be used to 
transport realtime binary payloads of any considerable size. the 
argument has been around for a long time, if you do some homework in 
the standards-jig and jdev archives i'm sure you'll find it many times 


On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 03:11  AM, Ulrich B. Staudinger wrote:

> Hi members,
> <flame secure>
> Ok, this can be somewhat risky and quite somewhat controversial. I 
> think
> jabber should develop on. We have a very good instant messaging
> protocol, some issues are still in development (like pubsub and message
> reliability), but are definitely on the right track.
> But i have a real proposal - add video and audio streams - and add it
> now and not in a year. i have no jep at hand yet, but this is 
> definitely
> a must. other instant messaging services are under development and will
> clearly be as good as jabber sooner or later - but all of these miss 
> one
> feature: video and audio through server. h323 for example is definitely
> not very firewall friendly, endpoints have to 'see' each other.
> Now jabber could fill this gap and move forward to embed video and 
> audio
> streams into the protocol and into the server/client (not p2p)
> environment. Good and work proven server implementations exist, as do
> good jabber clients! Why is jabber not moving? 'Cause we jabber too 
> much.
> This enhancement clearly is required - it will open up big gates.
> Maybe some key questions: Should jabber incorporate video and audio
> streams into an existing connection? Should there be a taskforce of
> jabberoos taking care of this? Does all this make sense? Or should
> jabber simply stay the good old xml messaging and presence protocol?
> </flame secure>
> ulrich
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