[standards-jig] Re: [Foundation] Motion for Last Call - Chat
State Notifications (JEP-0085)
cbas at rhymbox.com
Thu Dec 4 14:22:05 CST 2003
No one is being forced to support this. Perhaps you can make it
optional in your clients. Perhaps not implement it at all.
Loss of privacy is the same argument used a long time ago against the
composing event and could just as well be used against the displayed event.
People thought privacy was going to be lost forever, but in reality it
turned out to be quite helpful in a conversation.
The fact is that you can not rely on this information being accurate for
spying purposes. People might have it turned off, there might be a bug
in the client, someone may be tricking you into thinking that they are
reading the conversation, etc.
Here is one example where the gone event would help.
[ Alice and Bob have had a long conversation ]
Alice says: I have to go. It was nice talking to you. TTYL
Now Bob is thinking: Shit, do I reply "bye" and risk having the message
queued in offline storage because she's really already offline? Then
she might not get it until the next day, at which time she will be
confused as to why I said "bye". Or do I not send anything and keep
Alice waiting for me to aknowledge, making me seem like a jerk?
Solution: Alice was in a hurry and closed the window. Her client send
the "gone" chatstate and Bob saw that he did not need to acknowledge her
Note: This only works if Alice closes her chatwindow, making the client
tell Bob not to bother replying because she's left already. Call it
implicit messaging if you will. :-)
Julian Missig wrote:
> On 4 Dec, 2003, at 10:57, Sebastiaan Deckers wrote:
>> + Introduces new conversation modes besides composing: active,
>> inactive, gone
> I've yet to hear a compelling argument that these new states are
> actually necessary and beneficial to the user. While notification of
> typing is a slight violation of privacy, I certainly don't want people
> know when their window is active/inactive or when I've closed it.
> Really I think it would just end up making some people feel bad, and I
> don't think there's a clear benefit to it.
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