[Foundation] Motion for Last Call - Chat State Notifications (JEP-0085)

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Thu Dec 4 15:00:27 CST 2003


On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:57:11PM +0100, Alexander Gnauck wrote:

> i see no use for JEP-0085. The most existing clients already support
> JEP-0022(message events). 

Unfortunately, most clients don't implement JEP-0022 correctly. They get
the <id/> stuff wrong. They send empty <query/> elements for no good
reason. They do composing but not the other states. And so on. I read 
XML debug, so I know.

> And that works very well so far. 

Broken implementations don't work well.

> Im not
> interested to change our client and add JEP-0085. Instead of this we
> should work and move forward with JEP-0022.

It's hard to move forward with something that is fundamentally broken.

Peter




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