[Foundation] Logo Vote

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Wed Mar 19 13:25:33 CST 2003

On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Stephen Lee wrote:

> I was away for most of last week and returned to the flood of email from
> the foundation, after reading a few of them I was disgusted with the
> tone. I finally just deleted the whole mess.
> Something to keep in mind is that the foundation is made up of members
> from all over the world and references to Hitler and Nazi's can offend
> quite a few people even if it was meant in jest, which  was never quite
> clear as to if it was or not.
> After showing this email to a few of my friends in Germany, the question
> was raised as to how such an email would not have people banned from the
> mailing list.
> comment as follows....
> i would kick out this guy from the foundation very fast. You cant write
> such mails in a mailing list
> and another...
> that is a  very bad bad mail
> and one last..
> how can these people think it is ok to write such things
> I'll refrain from posting some of the more brutal comments as some
> people may be offended by them.

The email you're referring to was so obviously tongue-in-cheek and not
serious (an argumentum ad absurdam of the silly things said previously in
the thread), that I personally did not take offense even though it was
ostensibly directed at me. Craig could have called me Stalin, Idi Amin,
Pol Pot, Gengis Khan, or Attila the Hun and it would have had the same
force (i.e., none). Your friends in Germany lacked the context of the
entire thread and (AFAIK) are not even JSF members so I see no reason to
be concerned about their comments. As Executive Director of the JSF and as
the butt of all the nice friendly comments over the last few weeks, I have
no problem with Craig's email and would work actively against any attempt
to remove him from the membership. If people don't have anything better to
do than petition for banning productive contributors from the JSF then
that is their problem. We have so much work to complete that I see all
this wrangling and arguing as a complete waste of time, which is why I
haven't posted anything about it previously. Let's work on protocol,
implementations, compliance, marketing, sponsorship recruitment, docs, and
all of our other important priorities rather than sniping at our fellow


Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation

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