[Members] Is this thing on?

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Thu Dec 16 12:15:39 CST 2004

On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:26:05PM +0100, Ulrich Staudinger wrote:

> But - i think business users understand the excellence of jabber as a
> protocol over those plain "IM tools". Users like the FOREX traders are
> the important adopters. In fact i don't care that much about "Tom
> Everyone" - it's the business i care about.
> XMPP/Jabber has features which are useful for business applications.

Ulrich makes a good point. The early adopters -- investment banks,
emergency management agencies (cf. capwin.org), certain healthcare
applications -- are using XMPP. Consumers are not early adopters. 
IMHO the best pressure we can put on AOL, MSN, and Yahoo is to grab 
the early adopters in a big way, thus putting pressure on them to
interoperate if they want their userbase to communicate with 
important people like the Wall Street banks.

That said, I still think there is a big possibility of offering some
exciting things that the consumer services don't offer. Personally I
think a lot of that might be connected to pubsub-like things, such as
live RSS/Atom feeds. Heck, you would not even need to use a regular IM
client to receive suchthings -- you could have a smaller app on your
desktop or palmtop or phone to handle news updates.

Of course, consumer end uses keep crying for voice and video integration
too, but I remain unsure if that's a real need. And seemingly it could
be built into clients today using JEP-0111 (TINS) or just launching a
SIP stack. Do we need more negotiation bits around TINS? What is truly
holding up voice and video -- protocols or the fact that it is simply
not a priority for client developers?


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