[Members] s/JEP/XEP/g

Ralph Meijer jabberfoundation at ralphm.ik.nu
Sat Aug 19 09:16:11 CDT 2006

On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 01:46:38AM -0700, Boris Mann wrote:
> On 8/18/06, Ralph Meijer <jabberfoundation at ralphm.ik.nu> wrote:
>     On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:36:20AM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote:
>     > [..] we might also want to consider using xmpp.org
>     > in the namespaces rather than jabber.org for any protocols moved over to
>     > XEPs.
>     For new protocols maybe. For existing specifications that are beyond
>     experimental, a definite NO. This does not help anything.
> If we consider XMPP to be the protocol, and Jabber to be the community (HTTP /
> Web), can we not continue to call them JEPs , seeing as how the enhancements
> are coming from the Jabber community?
> This is similar to the W3C / HTML - the World Wide Web Consortium makes
> recommendations / standards.
> So, an "About" text on the XMPP site might read:
> XMPP.org is the official location for all protocol extensions brought forward
> by the Jabber community, known as Jabber Enhancement Proposals.  [insert some
> text about how these aren't IETF RFCs...or how they relate]
> One could move/relocate/refocus protocol-level discussions and activities to
> xmpp.org, and Jabber community activities remain centered on jabber.org .

Yes, this was exactly the point I was trying to make in [1]. I'm not too
sure anymore about having a STD-like series, though the JEPs with status
'Final' should be prominently staged on xmpp.org.

I think it is important to make sure that people who only come in
contact with the term XMPP regard the JSF as /the/ authoritive entity
for defining XMPP protocol extensions and other ontologies [2]. Again, I
have no problems having them moved to or referred to from xmpp.org, but
I have not seen convincing reasons to rename them into, for example, XEPs.

[1] http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2006-August/003807.html
[2] We have listed both as standards track. I make a slight distinction
    here because I think there is a difference between JEPs that cover
    Service Discovery, Multi-User Chat, and Publish subscribe, and other
    JEPs that define how to format data like User {Mood, Activity, Tune}
    and Geoloc.



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