[Members] Re: s/JSF/XSF/g

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Mon Nov 20 12:22:36 CST 2006

Ralph Meijer wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 16:13 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> Sean Egan wrote:
>>> Hi, I'm Sean Egan, one of the new members. 
>> Hi Sean, good to have you on board. :-)
>>> Google Talk is part of some larger network
>>> (and I'm, personally, working on that), but it would really help if
>>> that larger network had a name.
>>> SMTP has "e-mail." HTTP has "the web." What should XMPP have?
> First off, I don't believe the JSF is /just/ doing standards. We also
> bring people and companies that want to implement XMPP in contact with
> each other. We have people speaking and manning booths at conferences,
> using the JSF as our affiliation.

I think a lot of that kind of thing is a simple artifact of our having
an active developer community. E.g. we have discussion lists, chatrooms,
etc. I see those as community efforts, not official initiatives of the

>> I've always said that Jabber is to XMPP as the Web is to HTTP.
> I love 'Jabber' for that, too.

Yep, and I'm not about to stop using it.

So IMHO we need to figure out how we continue to encourage those
community efforts at jabber.org.

> The problem of course being the reluctance of commercial entities to use
> the Jabber *trademark* because of the name of Jabber, Inc. And I
> understand that. It might even hamper adoption. It is too bad that we
> are discussing to change the name of the organisation that is the nexus
> of our greater community to remedy this.
> Another solution would be to have Jabber Inc. change their name, but I
> don't see this happening.

I've tried. :-)


Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation

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