[Members] Re: s/JSF/XSF/g

Richard Dobson richard at dobson-i.net
Tue Nov 21 11:20:32 CST 2006

Ian Paterson wrote:
> Jabber is a good name, especially for native English speakers. We can 
> ask Jabber Inc. to guarantee that any XMPP service or application will 
> be able to use the name.
> Whereas if we use the "Talk" name for the Federation of XMPP servers 
> then, later on, Google's competitiors might hesitate to adopt XMPP for 
> fear of being *perceived* as switching to "Google's" protocol. IMHO we 
> should at least take into consideration what AIM, MSN and Yahoo would 
> prefer to call XMPP contacts when they eventually start the transition 
> to XMPP. Not because I sympathise with them (I don't), but we might be 
> able to reduce the chances of them confusing the name issue even 
> further in the future.
Yes exactly, even if we do create a new brand name (personally im not 
convinced its needed, I can see where the commercial interests are 
coming from but if its promoted correctly it need not be a problem, IMO 
the more the commercial and community projects promote the term and the 
more out there it gets, the more diluted jabber inc's usage of the term 
will get and the more diluted it gets the less of a problem it becomes) 
it shouldn't be Talk IMO as that is encumbered in practically the same 
way at the term Jabber is, so IMO that option is out in any case.
> Perhaps we should be persuading the developers of multi-protocol 
> clients to help educate the market (and promote the Jabber name)? They 
> might see it as being in their longer-term interests... The creation 
> of a "Google Talk" address field represents a quick short-term "fix" 
> for the communication problem. But IMHO the client developers will 
> have to educate their users eventually. Otherwise they will end up 
> with ever more address fields (Google Talk, iChat, Skype...) when one 
> would do. My view is biased... but I'd start the education process 
> today by placing Jabber at the top of the UI list followed by the 
> names of one or more popular services in parenthesis (Google Talk first).
> All that said, a "Talk (Google, iChat, Skype)" field is still very 
> appealing. Hmm...
Yea certainly as a short term measure, although I would word it as "XMPP 
(e.g. Jabber, Google Talk, LiveJournal)" or "Jabber (e.g. Google Talk, 


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