[Members] Re: council size

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Tue Sep 12 16:58:39 CDT 2006


Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Kevin Smith wrote:
>> On 12 Sep 2006, at 21:11, Ian Paterson wrote:
>>> In any case, Peter should be OK despite his position in the list, so
>>> I'll pray that Remko and Kevin are elected - if only to avoid any
>>> grief within our happy community. ;-)
>> Heh, I'm not going to hold any hard feelings when I'm not elected
>> (although I'll be sad if Remko isn't). As I explained in a previous mail
>> some hours ago which still hasn't filtered through yet, when I applied,
>> it was in the belief that council was unbounded in size: being told that
>> the majority of members think you incapable of serving on council is
>> very different indeed from the majority thinking that there are other
>> people more qualified than you. As I also said in the prior mail, I
>> think these 8 candidates are all very qualified to serve out council,
>> it's just a question of finding the right mix of developers,
>> protocolists, user interactionists etc etc etc, whichever five come out
>> will undoubtedly be a strong council for the next year.
> 
> Group dynamics come into play. We found that a council of 9 was too
> large. A council of 3 would be too small. Back in 2003, we settled on a
> council of 5 as best. Even numbers might be problematic (how do you
> break a tie?), so 4, 6, and 8 are out. That leaves 5 or 7. To me, 7 is
> shading too close to 9 (hard to get everyone in a chat room at the same
> time, too many actors and perspectives to stay productive). I have
> served on the 1st, 4th, and 5th Councils and I have been present at
> every Council meeting ever held, and in my experience 5 works best. But
> I agree that we need to update the Bylaws to make that explicit, and we
> can do that in October.

Another thing: IMHO the Council is not that important. They are a last
line of defense against publishing and advancing poorly designed
protocols. The real work happens on the Standards-JIG list.

Peter

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Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation
http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.shtml

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