[Members] XSF membership: what does it mean?

Adam Nemeth aadaam at gmail.com
Sat Nov 8 10:19:35 CST 2008

Hi all,
For me, XSF membership means that I can act as a router to XMPP related

Since I represented myself in a few conferences and meetups (with previous
permission from Peter) as a member of XSF, developers, system administrators
usually route XMPP-related questions for me usually on whether XMPP is
feasible in a given situation or not, or when they come to choose

After that of course I route them towards for further information:
 - towards vendors,
 - towards MUC rooms,
 - towards documents (usually XEPs),
 - towards implementations (libraries, clients),
 - towards hosting solutions,

and of course, towards persons.

It's not that I don't give technological consultancy myself (like, "how this
should be written?" "how much time do you think it is to implement XEP-1234
in SomeLanguage with SomeVendor?") or providing them with actual statistical
data or other social science related information (such as people's chat
habits in various groups, etc), but I rarely get money for such. (In fact,
it's nearly a year since the last time I got money from XMPP consultancy -
it was 60 hours of work within a month, pretty much for an external

And it's not like I gave up my actual dreams about XMPP, even if I'm
uninterested in some aspects becoming mainstream recently (computer-computer
communication), or I don't know how to gather the resources (JS-API), or the
time (Ext.Jabber client-library). Still I understand I haven't gave enough
energy into them yet.

As for the operational part of XSF and the XMPP community:

 You know I'm an eastern-european, which means I'm sometimes a bit harsh, so
let me say that  our original webteam initiative was a failure, and most
probably I'm - at least partly - responsible for it.

And this thing is exactly about responsibility: I see the clear
responsibility of Peter (to run this whole stuff), I see the clear
responsibility of Alex (to help organize official things), I see the clear
responsibility of the Council (to decide on XEPs), but pretty much that's

I haven't seen my own responsibility clearly in the website building (even
if I'm a senior web developer).

Also, there was a lack of agreement on what this website should be about;
there was a lack of agreement of directions. While sometimes colorful
environments are healthy, when you have to actually go somewhere as an
organization, you are sometimes stuck.

So, in sum: I think XSF members can act as hubs / gateways to the XMPP
community from the outside world, easily foundable, and are responsible for
advocating the XMPP technologies, and keeping themselves up-to-date in a lot
of fields to be able to fulfill this role, since they act as a widespread
network of people in knowledge of this whole stuff.

This is something every member should be responsible for.

I also think that we must ensure we provide clear responsibilities and
create certain roles / position within the organization other than the
existing roles.

If there would be an agreement at least these responsibilities I mentioned
above, I'd create a wiki page for that.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Remko Tronçon <remko at el-tramo.be> wrote:

> > We could change that. We could ask XSF members to get more heavily
> > involved in website development, running the jabber.org service, doing
> My thoughts on the topic:
> The great thing about the XSF is that there are no formal rules or
> processes to become a member: all you have to do is *mean* something
> to the XMPP community, be it by developing code, writing specs,
> helping people out, or just joining the discussion on the mailing
> lists.
> However, I strongly feel you should do *something*. Whether you think
> someone is actually doing something relevant is entirely personal, but
> I never vote for people who apply because 'XMPP is cool' or because
> they run an XMPP server on jabber.elbonia.com. And sometimes, I get
> the feeling that many members take this too lightly, and just vote
> 'yes' on everybody to be done with it. If voting would be taken more
> seriously, I think that the XSF membership would actually consist of
> nothing but active people.
> cheers,
> Remko

Aadaam <aadaam at gmail.com>
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