[Members] First XSF Certificate Meeting

Dieter Lunn coder2000 at gmail.com
Mon May 11 16:52:42 CDT 2009

I wholly agree.  There should be more for the membership of the XSF to
do but look pretty and vote on new members.  I will do my best to aid
in this effort and get my library ready for certification.

Dieter Lunn

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Nathan Fritz <nathanfritz at gmail.com> wrote:
> XSF Members,
> What: Meeting to start Compliance Certificate process
> Who: the XSF Members
> When: Thursday, May 21st at 1800 GMT
> Where: xmpp:foundation at conference.jabber.org?join
> Quote: "the XSF is useless -- what's the point of compliance levels without
> compliance certification?!?" -PSA
> A couple of years ago, the Council started creating yearly XMPP
> Client/Server Compliance levels as XEPs (XEP-0211, XEP-0212, XEP-0213,
> XEP-0216, XEP-0242, XEP-0243) to publish the XSF's expectations for IM
> servers and clients that claim to be XMPP compliant. While a good first
> step, these compliance XEPs are worthless without certifications for
> compliance.  These certifications would not be limited to the Council's
> compliance XEPs, but could include specific XEPs and RFCs.  This means that
> we, the XSF Members, will be responsible for determining which XEPs to
> create certificates for, gathering tests and criteria for a piece of
> software to pass a certificate, performing the testing (automated and brute
> force alike), awarding compliance certificates, and maintaining existing
> certificates.  During next week's meeting we will determine our first set of
> XEPs to create certificates for, discuss the criteria for awarding
> certificates in general, and discuss how this should apply to XSF
> membership.  As one of the action items following this meeting, I will call
> a vote for the XSF members to determine whether we should have a process for
> awarding compliance certificates.
> In the meantime, please think about what XEPs we should initially offer as
> certificates.  I propose that XEP-0242, XEP-0243, XEP-0060, and XEP-0163
> should be our initial set of certificates, and I will defend that during the
> meeting.  Also, think about what tests you can contribute including
> automated wire tests that you have access to and methods that you use for
> manually testing features.  We will likely need to make a call out to the
> greater community for additional automated tests that will help for specific
> XEPs that we choose to create certificates for.  I personally am working on
> a large test harness for XEP-0060 that I hope to have finished in time for
> the San Jose Summit.
> In the end, I hope it will become part of the core responsibilities of the
> XSF members to develop these certificates, actively test implementations,
> and award developers for being compliant with specific XEPs.  XMPP software
> developers should reach out to us to get their products certified and we
> could reach out to software developers to encourage them to get their
> servers and clients certified.  They should be able to display their
> certification proudly on their product pages.
> Thanks,
> Nathan Fritz

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