[Members] Metaproposals 3 and 4 - Council Candidate Limitations and Appointment Appeals

Dave Cridland dave at cridland.net
Thu Oct 8 08:08:36 CDT 2009

On Thu Oct  8 13:26:37 2009, Fabio Forno wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Dave Cridland <dave at cridland.net>  
> wrote:
> > If you *do* want to impose limits, you'll need to do them on the  
> basis of
> > canidature and not election, therefore, and I suspect that  
> there's a risk of
> > imposing so many limits that we lose out. I personally think  
> there are times
> > when the best Council achievable from the candidates standing is  
> quite
> > likely to have multiple people from the same company.
> It depends on many things, sometimes it is also better to have as  
> many
> points of view as possible. However there is a strong limit that I
> would impose on election: no more than majority minus one from the
> same organization (then the difficult is to define organization,  
> since
> companies are different than open source projects)

Actually, someone pointed out to me privately that for the Council,  
it really doesn't matter much unless the organization controls all  
the seats, because the Council operates by Veto.

To give a concrete example, if you happen to be of the opinion that  
Isode are, in fact, Evil, and will try to use our positions to our  
Evil ends, then it doesn't matter that both Kevin and myself will be  
working for Isode - we only need one of us on the Council in order to  
exercise a veto, and subvert the whole thing into an Evil Council. So  
to a large extent, if you're concerned about any particular  
organization's Evil Intentions, then you need to ensure that *nobody*  
from that organization is voted into a position on the Council.

Evil Kevin reminded me, though, that the Council appointments and  
removals are done by majority vote, and I forgot these in my Proposal  
4 - that would, of course, provide protection against Evil Me and  
Evil Kevin gradually removing Good Remko, Good Ralph, and Good  
Matthew and replacing them with Evil Kurt, Evil Curtis, and Evil  
Alexey, for a fully Evil Council.

Not that we would, of course - Evil Alexey is too busy subverting the  
IESG, and, by extension, the entire IETF, of course, and hasn't time  
to subvert *two* SDOs. But I hope you all appreciate the amount of  
thought and time we put into corrupting these organizations for our  
Evil Ends.

On a personal note, I would say that it's not easy being Evil. Every  
now and then I may slip up, and inadvertantly do useful work, for the  
common good. Should you observe any failures to be Evil, please do  
let me know.

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