[Members] Fwd: [TechReview] team meeting

Jehan jehan at zemarmot.net
Mon Feb 22 09:50:44 CST 2010


I don't think I can be on this meeting, first because of time (it's around
2AM for me, which may be ok though), but in particular because my computer
has problems (and that's not ok!). So I just wanted to give my insight on
some stuffs which were said here:

1/ I am not fond of the Atlassian tools for my own, after using some in my
previous job. I just used Jira (a lot, like every day) and Confluence a
little. I thought they were over-complicated (as someone said on the list
here), heavy as hell, and really it was a pain to use. It is my opinion on
these two tools (but as a very big daily user for maybe a year). I don't
know any other software from Atlassian, but if they are similar...

2/ Some propose to change the wiki softwares, and also some other
softwares in the XEP review/maintenance process. The websites and the wiki
have been switched from software to software again and again in the last
years. I don't say that the current tools are the best right now. I have
not much opinion on this. But do you really think that it is worth to
change again? Maybe if the XSF members always think that the problem is the
tool, then the problem is somewhere else. Tools are important, I agree on
this, but they are not all, and changing them all the time is not a good
idea, in my opinion. It means: a lot of work for the change itself, for
moving data, for people to get used on the new tools. And then... all this
work done... will these tools be finally the right ones?

But in the end, if you really decide to change tool -- and maybe it is a
good idea, I don't know -- really think this carefully and in a technical
point of view, not in a "hype" commercial view, because this is a technical
matter. In the end the people in the XEP maintenance and those modifying
the wiki will have to use the tools. So be careful that this is these
people (who will be the real users) who choose the tool. That's how we got
stuck with the Atlassian tools in my previous job, with people advertising
these tools just with slides better than I who tried to propose other tools
(and I installed a server with these tools and making a technical
demonstration how we can use this to improve our daily use as real users,
etc. But hey! The slides with the nice screenshots and the "shock"
advertising speach worked better...).
That's it.


On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:07:08 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>
> FYI.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [TechReview] team meeting
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:22:23 -0700
> From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>
> Reply-To: XSF Technical Review Team <techreview at xmpp.org>
> To: XSF Technical Review Team <techreview at xmpp.org>
> I propose that we hold a team meeting next week.
> Date: Tuesday, February 23
> Time: 18:00 UTC (that's 10:00 AM Pacific, 1:00 PM Eastern, 6:00 PM UK,
> 7:00 PM Central European -- I think, check your local time against UTC)
> Location: xmpp:techreview at muc.xmpp.org?join
> Agenda
> * Agenda bashing
> * Intros
> * MUC review
> * XEP process
> * Team lead
> * Any other business?
> * Next meeting
> Does that sound good to the team?
> Peter

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