[Members] XSF roadmap

jehan at zemarmot.net jehan at zemarmot.net
Wed Nov 10 12:31:49 CST 2010


On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:32:53 +0900, <jehan at zemarmot.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:21:00 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre
> <stpeter at stpeter.im> wrote:
> [...]
>> Well those are 8 different initiatives. Plenty to keep us busy! :)
>> Further thoughts? What did I leave out?
> Seems pretty good to me. That's just our top priority for now and we
> can still change it afterwards if needed anyway. :-)
> Bye.

I just thought about an item which seems has not been raised in the
roadmap: Jingle audio/video! We want to improve Jingle FT and push
implementations, and that's great. But can't also something be done
about audio/video? I remember there has already been some period with
intense work on these XEPs, though at the time I didn't follow much. But
what I know for sure is that this is still a mess right now.

I regularly try (with several people) many clients supposedly
supporting it (Psi, Gajim, Pidgin, Empathy, even the Gtalk plugin for
video, but Linux version only, etc. In released version and development
versions even). I never managed to have a audio/video session which went
well. Not once! Whatever I try with friends each of us using the same
client, or trying to connect with different ones. Sometimes one can see
the other, but not the opposite, same for audio (I hear, the other
don't), sometimes sound and/or video work but it stops working after 5
minutes of discussion. But even if it had to stop working, I NEVER had a
fully working period (video AND audio working on both side), even not
for 5 seconds!
I don't know why, I didn't try to debug or anything more than clicking
around the configuration. And I can read on developer's blogs them
saying "yeah I tried with X and Y and it worked great!". But I don't
know what were their conditions: locale networks, no NAT or whatever?..
I can just say I always felt embarrassed when at the end, the girl says
"eh let's rather use Skype. Don't you have an account?". And when I run
with a grunt my old dusty Skype account to please her, and then when it
works after at worst a few configuration clicks, I feel even more
embarrassed. Why can't XMPP do as well?

What do we need? Are the specs not good enough? Is no implementation
still perfectly following the XEPs and all the necessary requirements?
Should we push implementors more? Should we run some developer-feedback
call to improve the XEPs? There should anyway be something to be done,
and this too could be in the a high priority item for the roadmap, no?


P.S.: you can also tell me I am a moron and if you have indication for
perfectly working audio/video session, I listen with great care! :-)

P.P.S.: yeah recently it happened to me a few times with several
people, so these experiences make me bitter about Jingle audio/video. :p

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