[Members] XSF roadmap

Nicolas Vérité nicolas.verite at gmail.com
Wed Nov 10 15:27:50 CST 2010


The same UX for file transfer.

How can we fix this? Interop tests only?

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 19:31,  <jehan at zemarmot.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:32:53 +0900, <jehan at zemarmot.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:21:00 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre
>> <stpeter at stpeter.im> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Well those are 8 different initiatives. Plenty to keep us busy! :)
>>> Further thoughts? What did I leave out?
>> Seems pretty good to me. That's just our top priority for now and we
>> can still change it afterwards if needed anyway. :-)
>> Bye.
> I just thought about an item which seems has not been raised in the
> roadmap: Jingle audio/video! We want to improve Jingle FT and push
> implementations, and that's great. But can't also something be done
> about audio/video? I remember there has already been some period with
> intense work on these XEPs, though at the time I didn't follow much. But
> what I know for sure is that this is still a mess right now.
> I regularly try (with several people) many clients supposedly
> supporting it (Psi, Gajim, Pidgin, Empathy, even the Gtalk plugin for
> video, but Linux version only, etc. In released version and development
> versions even). I never managed to have a audio/video session which went
> well. Not once! Whatever I try with friends each of us using the same
> client, or trying to connect with different ones. Sometimes one can see
> the other, but not the opposite, same for audio (I hear, the other
> don't), sometimes sound and/or video work but it stops working after 5
> minutes of discussion. But even if it had to stop working, I NEVER had a
> fully working period (video AND audio working on both side), even not
> for 5 seconds!
> I don't know why, I didn't try to debug or anything more than clicking
> around the configuration. And I can read on developer's blogs them
> saying "yeah I tried with X and Y and it worked great!". But I don't
> know what were their conditions: locale networks, no NAT or whatever?..
> I can just say I always felt embarrassed when at the end, the girl says
> "eh let's rather use Skype. Don't you have an account?". And when I run
> with a grunt my old dusty Skype account to please her, and then when it
> works after at worst a few configuration clicks, I feel even more
> embarrassed. Why can't XMPP do as well?
> What do we need? Are the specs not good enough? Is no implementation
> still perfectly following the XEPs and all the necessary requirements?
> Should we push implementors more? Should we run some developer-feedback
> call to improve the XEPs? There should anyway be something to be done,
> and this too could be in the a high priority item for the roadmap, no?
> :-D
> Thanks.
> Jehan
> P.S.: you can also tell me I am a moron and if you have indication for
> perfectly working audio/video session, I listen with great care! :-)
> P.P.S.: yeah recently it happened to me a few times with several
> people, so these experiences make me bitter about Jingle audio/video. :p

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