[Members] XSF @ 10

David Banes dbanes at cleartext.com
Wed Jul 13 10:18:52 UTC 2011

Just an observation here.

I think Peter has been very brave and had terrific foresight in realising the XSF could benefit from change. 

Now IF there are some issues that need resolving in the XSF, and I'm not sure there are, you/we will need to get some committed outside help to have any chance of success.

Too many times I've seen organisations try to fix themselves only to fail because everyones too close to the issues.

Meaning well,


On 13/07/2011, at 11:00 AM, Kevin Smith wrote:

> Lots of snipping.
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Dave Cridland <dave at cridland.net> wrote:
>> Right, the fact that our leadership, both technical and organizational, is
>> failing to participate in some cases is not good at all.
> Very much agreed. I'm aware I could be part of this problem and I'd
> invite anyone who perceives as such to let me know things I need to
> address.
>> Just on this point, we should ensure that whatever process we have is not
>> gated on Peter. Not only is that making ourselves reliant on Peter's
>> continued dedication, which simply isn't fair on Peter, but it's also going
>> to be a choke point.
> Right - if we were to do away with our current voted Council, Board
> etc. I think there's a real danger of having an organisation that is
> *entirely* dependent upon Peter as the ultimate
> responsibility/benevolent dictator, rather than only mostly dependent
> on him as we are now. I'd like to move in the other direction so we
> can give Peter a rest sometimes.
>> I don't see that hand-waving around words like "open", "flexible" and so on
>> will magically make people interested in making comments on by-law amendment
>> proposals, to pick an example where I *have* followed procedure, and been
>> prevented from taking things further by pure apathy.
> Right - although I think sometimes apathy is silent disagreement, I
> suspect it normally isn't.
> /K

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