[Members] proposal to join the Open Invention Network

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at stpeter.im
Wed Jan 20 16:46:01 UTC 2016

Philipp Hancke just pointed out to me that Ralph Meijer mentioned this 2 
years ago:


And that Kurt Zeilenga replied:


There are some misunderstandings in Kurt's message.

First, the XSF would not license our specifications under two different 
licenses. Instead, we would benefit from becoming a licensee to the 
500,000 patents in OIN's pool. This helps to protect us if someone 
claims that one of our technologies violates a patent out there in the 

Second, the OIN patent pool is very much not limited to Linux, even 
though that is where they started out. As far as I can see, their 
definition of Linux is so broad that it includes a great deal of the 
application space, including technologies such as messaging and 
audio/video that we implement in XMPP.

Third, there is further benefit in having companies and projects that 
are active in the XMPP community join the OIN separately, and the XSF 
can help to facilitate that.


On 1/20/16 9:17 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Yes, sorry, I should have mentioned that. I did have a conversation with
> OIN's European representative about the XSF joining as well as companies
> and projects within the XMPP community joining. They would
> enthusiastically welcome both.
> On 1/19/16 3:37 PM, Winfried Tilanus wrote:
>> On 01/19/2016 01:41 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> Good work. Did you have any contact with OIN about the XSF joining and
>> the XSF being within their scope?
>> Winfried
>>> Folks, I've been doing some research on patent pools as a way to protect
>>> the XSF, companies that use XMPP technologies, and open-source projects
>>> that implement XMPP. Basically the pool is an agreement to not sue each
>>> other and not be sued by those who hold patents in a wide range of
>>> open-source and open-standards technologies (although the OIN website
>>> talks alot about Linux, the patents in their pool are not limited to
>>> Linux itself because OIN has spread their coverage into the entire
>>> application space).
>>> Based on my research as well as extensive discussion on the open-source
>>> foundations list, I have concluded that there could be significant
>>> benefit in joining the Open Invention Network, an open patent pool that
>>> was founded by IBM, NEC, Philips, RedHat, Sony and SuSe (later joined by
>>> Google). Over 500,000 U.S. patents have been "pledged" to OIN (i.e., are
>>> part of the pool but retained by their respective companies) by
>>> participating organizations and thus extended to 1800+ licensees:
>>> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/community-of-licensees/
>>> OIN also seems to have registered a smaller number of key patents on its
>>> own:
>>> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about-us/us-patents-owned-by-oin/
>>> And OIN has 2300+ open-source packages in their package list:
>>> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/joining-oin/linux-system/linux-system-table/?cat_id=13&type=table
>>> Finally, OIN has safeguards in place to avoid being taken over for
>>> trolling purposes:
>>> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/press-room/faqs/
>>> I see no downside and many upsides in having the XSF join OIN and sign
>>> their license agreement:
>>> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/joining-oin/oin-license-agreement/
>>> The XSF can also help introduce individual XMPP-related projects and
>>> companies to OIN. The XSF would not represent such projects and
>>> companies with OIN or sign them up as licensees, but instead would
>>> encourage them to do that directly with OIN so that we can help to
>>> protect the XMPP ecosystem from patent lawsuits.
>>> I plan to bring this up with the XSF Board of Directors at its next
>>> meeting, but I also wanted to raise awareness among XSF members before
>>> then.
>>> Feedback is welcome, as always!
>>> Peter

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