[Security] client-to-client security :: Summary and todo's
Johansson Olle E
oej at edvina.net
Sat Aug 23 04:21:55 CDT 2008
Ok, I'll try to summarize a bit. With all these very technichal mails
I might have missed something, so please add/correct/flame as needed
- The issue at hand is "how to set up a secure connection between two
Assume that we do have the ability to set up sessions through a
network of XMPP
servers or by using the same server and need to move from that
channel to a secure
channel - end to end.
- The XMPP community wants to encourage use of secure connections and
create a recommended solution that is so simple so it is actually
and so well documented and standardized, so it becomes implemented
- clients can be both humans and applications (bots/devices)
- "secure" can be divided into
* confidential - meaning encrypted in a secure way (secure here
depends on the nature
of the conversation)
*authenticated - all involved parties have assured the identity of
the other parties.
- At this point, we place requirements for non-repudation and
of the scope of this work
- The level of security needed depends on the nature of the
conversation. The standard
should be flexible and open for several kinds of authentication
from OpenGPG systems to X.509 certificates, from self-signed
- In the documents needed, there is a need to separate the
for setting up secure connections from the trust systems involved.
- The confidentiality solution is based on the well-known TLS standard,
as specified by the IETF.
Any authentication systems has to work in conjunction with TLS.
- A set of guidelines for GUI interfaces are needed, so that the XMPP
use the same terminology and concepts, thus making it easier for
users to set up
a secure connection.
- We need a delegation system, that separates "user identity" from
"resource" or "client"
identity, so that a user can delegate the right to connect to an
account to devices,
like set-top-boxes or cell phones. For this a server-based
management of this
delegation and revocation is needed
- To bootstrap the usage of this, we need a set of solutions that MUST
be implemented in clients and servers. This should also be
the XEPs for base profile of clients/servers. The standards should
define optional solutions that can be used in various environments,
like enterprise PKI controlled IM and middle-ware-messaging XMPP
systems or solutions that emphasize strong authentication but
doesn't necessarily have a need of confidentiality.
- Any solution does have to work over NAT sessions, possibly with
NAT relays, where NAT traversal support systems like STUN and
Not in any special order...
Have a nice weekend! I'm going out to pick mushrooms. After a lot of
thist month, there's plenty of them in the forests of Sweden.
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