[Standards-JIG] ACTIVE: JEP-0132 (POKE)

Ulrich Staudinger us at die-horde.de
Thu Apr 1 16:01:29 UTC 2004


Craig Kaes wrote:

>I am personally outraged that this JEP was not put through the agreed upon
>process.  It is *not* ready for prime time and should never have made it
>through the comment process, much less be championed by a council member.
>(Who did this, btw?)
>
>My objections are based on:
>
>1) Descartes' _Second Meditations on First Philosophy_, which makes the
>point that I, as a thinking thing who can question his existence, must
>surely exist *as a thinking thing*.  Can I trust my perceptions?
>Resoundingly, *no*.  Consequently, a presence probe protocol dependent on
>sensory perception is hopelessly flawed if the attempt is to know the
>presence status of an individual in a true epistemological sense.
>
>and 
>
>2) Bishop Berkeley claimed that an object cannot exist independently of our
>perceiving it -- meaning that the mere act of probing initiates the very
>perception that makes an individual present when, at the time of initial
>probe, they may or may not have even existed.  How can this be accurate?
>
>  
>
When speaking of Berkeley and Descarte, you may not forget Sartre, in 
"Being and nothingness" he clearly points out that by perceiving it in a 
perception one clearly forms the perception and even the perception of 
the abscence means it is clearly present.

u

>I could expect this of Hildy, but how could you, Peter, with your background
>in philosophy have failed to address these points?
>
>--C
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:stpeter at jabber.org]
>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:37 AM
>To: standards-jig at jabber.org
>Subject: [Standards-JIG] ACTIVE: JEP-0132 (POKE)
>
>
>A new JEP has been approved by the Jabber Software Foundation with 
>a status of Active:
>
>JEP-0132: Presence Obtained via Kinesthetic Excitation (POKE)
>
>http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0132.html
>
>Peter
>
>  
>





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