[Standards-JIG] Re: Re: JEP-0060: delete + retract?

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Thu May 4 19:38:51 UTC 2006

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I think backwards compatibility and common sense would lead us to think
that notify='false' is the right default. The existing text says:

   If ... an implementation supports allowing subscribers to be
   notified of deleted items (and the node is configured for it),
   the service MUST use message notifications as shown below.

That makes it sounds as if notifications are currently optional, no?


Gaston Dombiak wrote:
> Hey Peter,
> I like the syntax. May be in order to be backwards compatible the default 
> should be true? Unless we really want to not send notifications by default. 
> :)'
>   -- Gato
> "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter at jabber.org> wrote in message 
> news:445A4CE7.1010307 at jabber.org...
> So:
> <retract notify='true|false'>
> And default to false?
> Peter
> Gaston Dombiak wrote:
>>>> Hey Peter,
>>>> I agree that under certain circumstances it would be useful to not send
>>>> notifications when deleting items. If this is special case of deletion 
>>>> then
>>>> I think that we can use the existing "verb" retract where by default it 
>>>> will
>>>> send notifications unless it includes some flag that indicates the 
>>>> opposite.
>>>> IMHO, reducing the number of verbs is a nice way to keep things simple
>>>> (without making each verb very complex ;) ).
>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>> Regards,
>>>>   -- Gato
>>>> "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter at jabber.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:445A2BEF.2060702 at jabber.org...
>>>> We need to decide whether to differentiate between "delete item" and
>>>> "retract item" ( = delete with notification) in publish-subscribe. I
>>>> agree with Alexander Gnauck that it would be good to have separate and
>>>> distinct operations for these two concepts:
>>>> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards-jig/2006-April/010691.html
>>>> If there are no objections (Gaston, Ralph, Matt, Bob?), I will add this
>>>> to 1.8pre16.
>>>> Peter
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