[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0171 (Language Translation)

Fletcher, Boyd C. CIV US USJFCOM JFL J9935 Boyd.Fletcher at je.jfcom.mil
Mon Feb 18 14:36:17 UTC 2008

Very little training was requred. Users found the capability easy to use and on par with other im/text chat clients.

Our biggest problem we have found is that many xmpp clients do not handle multiple message bodies or the xml:lang correctly or at all - they either crashed or dropped the message.

Even if other clients don't support lang tran and the sender does so long as the client renders all the message bodies it works nicely. For example our transverswe can do automated lang tran on outbound and inbound messages. We frequently test with other not lang tran enabled clients and have shown you can still have an effective conversation even if only one side has the lang tran engine.
Oh and nost users to not regularly change their lang when sending. 


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Subject: Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0171 (Language Translation)

Fletcher, Boyd C. CIV US USJFCOM JFL J9935 pisze:
> True xml:lang isn't a perfect solution but it does provide a fairly
> easy way to support designating which language you are speaking
> without changing the protocol.

I didn't mean to say that xml:lang is a bad way to mark content 
language. I just wanted to say that it may be hard for clients to 
determine the right value without annoying users.

 > In our client we provide a drop down that let's
> the user select the lang for each message sent.

Yes, I guess this would be the way to implement this...

> We have been using this approach for 2 years in production
> environments with a high degree of success.

... but I cannot imagine why would users "waste" their time choosing 
language from the drop down, if it doesn't really change anything for 
them (setting correct language at my end doesn't change anything for me, 
it only helps the other person. and since most of users don't use any 
translation, etc services, they won't even think that this setting makes 
any real difference for the other peer).

Did you do any training/advertising to get this "high degree of success"?

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