[Standards] [Operators] Future of XMPP Re: The Google issue

Alexander Holler holler at ahsoftware.de
Thu Dec 5 02:38:50 UTC 2013

Am 05.12.2013 03:17, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre:
> On 12/4/13 7:04 PM, Alexander Holler wrote:
>> Am 05.12.2013 02:51, schrieb Evgeny Khramtsov:
>>> That's XMPP as it is: if something can be done by hands it will
>>> be done by hands :) There are no problems in XMPP. Oh wait... The
>>> only problem is TLS in virtual hosting. Let's invent 3 specs to
>>> solve it :)
>> I wouldn't be so hard. It's a historical grown up protocol and it
>> isn't that bad, It solved a lot of problems and is well described.
>> There are much uglier things around. But maybe M2M offers the
>> oportunity to speak about some changes.
> The m2m people I've talked with -- OpenADR, ISO, IEC, UPnP, oneM2M,
> etc. -- seem to care most about the fact that XMPP has been a standard
> for 10+ years, has a clear security story, is known to scale, and is
> extensible (they often have XML payloads). Something shiny and new
> wouldn't appeal to them.
> However, if you guys go off and design something shiny and new, do all
> the work to standardize it at the IETF, extend it in various ways, and
> wait 10-15 years for your technology to become stable and "safe", I'm
> sure that boring old industries like the electrical grid will take an
> interest. Of course, by then the technology that was once shiny and
> new will itself be seen as crufty and ugly by the cool kids working on
> hot new stuff. :-)
> For the record, personally I'm quite interested in some of the new
> DHT-based systems out there (e.g., Jeremie's telehash project), and
> such things could be used for m2m communication. I don't particularly
> think that the standards at xmpp.org is the place to discuss and design
> such technologies, except if there are integration points of interest.

So that sounds like XMPP hase come to the end of it's evolution, and
possible changes are neiter welcomed nor should be discussed here.

For me that sounds like RIP XMPP, popcorn times have started.


Alexander Holler

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