[Standards] [Council] 2016-07-20 Council Meeting

Kevin Smith kevin.smith at isode.com
Fri Aug 5 16:07:49 UTC 2016

On 5 Aug 2016, at 17:01, Holger Weiß <holger at zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> * Holger Weiß <holger at zedat.fu-berlin.de> [2016-07-27 12:33]:
>> * Tobias Markmann <tmarkmann at googlemail.com> [2016-07-27 10:28]:
>>>> ### XEP-0045: Define option name for enabling/disabling MAM
>>>> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/204
>>>> - Dave wonders if this could be an update to XEP-0313 instead of XEP-0045.
>>>> - Tobias wonders if this needs to be its own option or if `enablelogging`
>>>>  covers the same use cases
>>>> - Discussion: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2016-07-20#15:22:05
>>>> - All to vote on list.
>>> -1. After the followup discussion with Holger I agree that there might be
>>> use in such an option. Although I'd rather we'd name it technology
>>> independent and more concept focused, like roomconfig_enablearchiving. The
>>> descriptive text could provide MAM as example of this. Furthermore there
>>> should be a some small text describing the differences in this new option
>>> and the roomconfig_enablelogging option.
>> The advantage I see in referring to MAM specifically is that access to
>> the archive is clearly defined in XEP-0313.  If a client enables MUC MAM
>> in a private room, the standard should guarantee that this won't expose
>> the archive to non-members.  If this assumption seems safe also for a
>> generic "archiving" option, I'm fine with that.
> I'd be interested in feedback on this.  Personally, I'd still prefer
> referring to MAM, as I think the client should to be fully aware of the
> implications of enabling that option, especially in private rooms.  If
> we ever come up with another archiving XEP that supports XEP-0045,
> chances are the archiving semantics and access rules will be different.
> And it should be no problem for clients supporting future XEPs to use
> new MUC configuration options if necessary.

FWIW, I agree (With Holger).


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