[Standards] XEP-0060: order of items

Jonas Schäfer jonas at wielicki.name
Tue Nov 9 16:11:52 UTC 2021

On Samstag, 6. November 2021 15:13:36 CET Goffi wrote:
> Hello,
> I've proposed a PR for XEP-0060 to explicitely indicate that items are
> returned in chronological order: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1124[1] .
> This was not said in text and the only indicators were examples.
> Chronological order seems logical to me for a generic mechanism (because
> it's generic, there is no reason that we would want latest items first),
> and it is coherent with examples (with examples https://
> xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#example-79[2] and
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/ xep-0060.html#example-80[3] we clearly see
> that items are in chronological order).
> Making this explicit will avoid confusion, and ordering issues between
> clients.

I am confused. Isn't ordering the reason for XEP-0413? Retrofitting ordering 
requirements into XEP-0060 seems way too breaking for me. It would be more 
sensible to advocate implementations adopting '413 (even if they only support 
the chronological output)

kind regards,
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