[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0459 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2022)

Kim Alvefur zash at zash.se
Mon Sep 27 10:04:07 UTC 2021


On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:37:37AM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:46, Matthew Wild <mwild1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 15:24, Tedd Sterr <teddsterr at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 4. The original version (XEP-0242/0243) had two simple categories, Core
>>> and Advanced, and that was all; later versions just continued with that.
>>> The IM Suite, especially, is becoming quite top-heavy, so adding a middle
>>> level would be good - but what to call it? Instead of names, how about
>>> simply Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 - right now that would map Core to
>>> Level 1 and Advanced to Level 3, then a subset of Level 3 could make up
>>> Level 2. Note that not all Suites require 3 levels (or even 2 in the case
>>> of Web). [This also fits nicely with a compliance badge design idea I have.]
>>>
>>
>> I agree with everything you said, but I'm especially in favour of fixing
>> this one. Part of the goal of these things is to help summarize XMPP
>> compliance of a piece of software to people who aren't intimate with XMPP.
>> There is no planet on which describing a piece of software as "Core Core"
>> makes sense.
>>
>> I'd be in favour of either switching to "Basic"/"Advanced" (I think
>> "Basic" was frowned upon originally, which is why it wasn't used), or to
>> numbered levels as you propose.
>>
>
>We originally went for "Core" and "Advanced" with the intent that while
>"Advanced" clearly sounds pretty damn cool, people would be happy to put a
>marketing sticker type thing on their product with "Core" on it.
>
>This was explicitly up against "Basic", which we didn't think was the kind
>of thing people would want to brag about.
>
>If we were to change things, I think I'd avoid "Basic" still, for the same
>reasons.

Perhaps "Foundation" is a cool enough word to replace the "Core"
category, solving the "Core Core" thing by having "Core Foundation",
"Advanced Foundation", "Core IM", "Advanced IM" etc?


-- 
Kim "Zash" Alvefur
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