[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0459 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2022)

Dave Cridland dave at cridland.net
Mon Sep 27 10:46:25 UTC 2021


On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 11:04, Kim Alvefur <zash at zash.se> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:37:37AM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote:
> >On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:46, Matthew Wild <mwild1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 15:24, Tedd Sterr <teddsterr at outlook.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 4. The original version (XEP-0242/0243) had two simple categories, Core
> >>> and Advanced, and that was all; later versions just continued with
> that.
> >>> The IM Suite, especially, is becoming quite top-heavy, so adding a
> middle
> >>> level would be good - but what to call it? Instead of names, how about
> >>> simply Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 - right now that would map Core to
> >>> Level 1 and Advanced to Level 3, then a subset of Level 3 could make up
> >>> Level 2. Note that not all Suites require 3 levels (or even 2 in the
> case
> >>> of Web). [This also fits nicely with a compliance badge design idea I
> have.]
> >>>
> >>
> >> I agree with everything you said, but I'm especially in favour of fixing
> >> this one. Part of the goal of these things is to help summarize XMPP
> >> compliance of a piece of software to people who aren't intimate with
> XMPP.
> >> There is no planet on which describing a piece of software as "Core
> Core"
> >> makes sense.
> >>
> >> I'd be in favour of either switching to "Basic"/"Advanced" (I think
> >> "Basic" was frowned upon originally, which is why it wasn't used), or to
> >> numbered levels as you propose.
> >>
> >
> >We originally went for "Core" and "Advanced" with the intent that while
> >"Advanced" clearly sounds pretty damn cool, people would be happy to put a
> >marketing sticker type thing on their product with "Core" on it.
> >
> >This was explicitly up against "Basic", which we didn't think was the kind
> >of thing people would want to brag about.
> >
> >If we were to change things, I think I'd avoid "Basic" still, for the same
> >reasons.
>
> Perhaps "Foundation" is a cool enough word to replace the "Core"
> category, solving the "Core Core" thing by having "Core Foundation",
> "Advanced Foundation", "Core IM", "Advanced IM" etc?
>
>
That seems a simple fix, yes.


>
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> Kim "Zash" Alvefur
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