3 Jul
2026
3 Jul
'26
12:34 p.m.
The enforcement agreement says that the JSF shall administer use of the
mark consistent with the position statement - this is what in other
places and contexts we have called sublicensing, although that term is
not used in the enforcement agreement. Unfortunately, IIRC the extension
of that agreement beyond the trial period (i.e., the first 12 months)
might not have been properly documented. Also, the mark itself was never
transferred to the JSF.
On 7/3/26 5:25 AM, Ralph Meijer wrote:
Aren't these the same documents that are already
linked on the
background page? I think the thing missing is an agreement that permits
the sublicensing by the JSF/XSF.
On 2 July 2026 18:11:22 CEST, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter(a)stpeter.im> wrote:
Attached please find scanned copies of:
- A letter of intent between Jabber Inc. and the Jabber Software
Foundation, dated December 16, 2002
- A trademark licensing agreement between Jabber Inc. and the Jabber
Software Foundation, dated March 7, 2003
- A trademark enforcement agreement between Jabber Inc. and the
Jabber Software Foundation, dated May 2, 2003
For the avoidance of doubt, I believe that these are the only
documents I have on file (in a locked, fireproof safe at my house)
related to the trademark licensing agreement. For example, I do not
believe that I have any documents on file related to affirmation
that Cisco Systems Inc. would honor the trademark licensing
agreement upon its acquisition of Jabber Inc. on Halloween, 2008. It
is possible that such documents exist, but I would need to do more
digging in order to find them.
I would most appreciate it if someone would be so kind as to submit
a PR against the XSF website so that these documents will be
publicly available there.
Peter
On Tue, Jun 30, 2026, at 9:50 AM, Ralph Meijer wrote:
On 04/06/2026 15.50, Dave Cridland wrote:
[..]
Very specifically on these, I think it would be useful to
classify the IPR and related assets that the existing XSF has. My
non-exhaustive guesswork gives me:
[..]
* Trademark licences (I think the XSF has a trademark licence for
Jabber, though I can't find it)
This document can be found here <https://xmpp.org/docs/
Trademark_License_Agreement.pdf <https://xmpp.org/docs/
Trademark_License_Agreement.pdf>>, as linked from <https://
xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-trademark/background/ <https://xmpp.org/
about/xsf/jabber-trademark/background/>>. Note that this document
specifically disallows sublicensing, but read on below.
* Trademark sublicensor:
https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-
trademark/ <https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-trademark/>
Even though the JabberⓇ Trademark License Agreement clearly
asserts that there is an agreement between the XSF and Cisco to
offer a sublicensing program, we do not currently have any public
document that explicitly shows this. I've been working with Peter
to assess the relevant documents and whether we can make them
publicly available. If so, we will make sure to add them to this
section of the XSF website.
I will provide an update when I have more to share.
Cheers,
Ralph