Greetings Guus, Certainly, I would be glad to help. My criticism was not of qualification or otherwise offending, but it was of time and load. If there are people who are willing and are also more available than others who are lesser available, then I advise to allow those who are more available. My criticism is direct and blatant; and, I do not intend to express in an indirect and soft manner which be more insinuative and an unnecessary waste of time. Post script ----------- The mention of mailing-lists "general" and "jdev", despite not related, is due to an apparent trend to further distance people away from XMPP, the network which should have been replacing almost the whole realm of HTTP, since 2005. I can even further compound to my criticism, by criticizing the tendency to implement European and North American policies and habits, issues that are not related to digital nor electronic concerns, surely is not helpful to further expand XMPP to Africa, Asia, and South America, especially due to blatant contradictions of different creeds and cultures. XMPP is being more and more exclusive to certain groups of people, while shunning others; and negligence, be it intentional or unintentional (e.g. this instance of undesired messages), is severely bad and suggests of deliberate sabotage by hostile elements within XSF, whoever those may be. Regards, Schimon On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 10:46:49 +0200 Guus der Kinderen <guus.der.kinderen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Schimon,
The spam you're referring to got through after the recent server crash and the subsequent restoration of the list. Nobody is "allowing" these messages: the list is not moderated by hand, message by message. The volunteers who run our infrastructure are aware of it, and are working on improving the mail delivery problems that surfaced after the crash.
I understand you're unhappy about the closure of the jdev list. You're welcome to make the case for reconsidering that, but that is a separate discussion.
What I don't accept is the suggestion that the people keeping these services running are unqualified, or that they should leave the XSF. They give their own time to maintain infrastructure that the whole community relies on, and they deserve better than that.
If you'd like to help, for example with spam filtering or list administration, that would be genuinely welcome. Feel free to reach out to me or the infrastructure team.
Best regards,
Guus
On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 10:07 AM Schimon via Standards <standards@xmpp.org> wrote:
With respect, I do not realize why the moderators of this mailing-list allow these unwanted messages of "Aluminum Cable Market Enables Power Transmission".
The most useful mailing-list "general" was closed for no proper reason; then, mailing-list "jdev" was closed for an improper reason; now, unwanted messages are allowed to be sent to the only mailing-list left.
Is there an intention to further discourage more people from utilizing Jabber/XMPP, and foisting them into centralized messaging and publishing platforms?
Where I am from, if a professional is overwhelmed by tasks (that is, accepts too much of clients), then it amounts to conflict-of-interest; therefore, I advise to unqualified members, who can not handle their responsibilities, to leave XSF; otherwise, I would advise to reorganize XSF.
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