26 Aug
2024
26 Aug
'24
2:14 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 at 17:06, Stephen Paul Weber <singpolyma(a)singpolyma.net>
wrote:
That sounds awfully like a MAY. SHOULD is "MUST unless you know what you're
doing, and you probably don't".
I'm also unconvinced that specifying whether clients leave chatrooms or not
when things happen is "UX" - it's client behaviour, and that seems entirely
within the remit of a XEP. It might *also* have an effect on user
experience, too, but that's OK, as many things we do have an effect on UX.
We assume, for example, that if you send a message to a client it'll be
visible to the user sitting in front of it - that, too is UX. We don't
specify how that might occur.
Dave.
TL;DR: autojoin
only means whether to join automatically on login, it's
not
for tracking/controlling which MUCs you're
currently in; "I don't want to
join automatically" is not equivalent to "I want to leave now."
I completely agree that the decision of what to do wrt join/leave should
be
up to the client and not part of the XEP at all. However the XEP already
had language like "On the other hand, if the event is a retract
notification, the client SHOULD leave the room immediately." and so this
led
to specifying an inconsistent UX (as opposed to not specifying UX at all,
which would be preferred).
I think the solution in practise will be to ignore the SHOULD in clients
that know what they are doing.