April 2025 - Standards

LAST CALL: XEP-0424 (Message Retraction)
by Daniel Gultsch 03 Jul '26

03 Jul '26

This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0424. Title: Message Retraction Abstract: This specification defines a method for indicating that a message should be retracted. URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0424.html This Last Call begins today and shall end at the close of business on 2025-01-06. Please consider the following questions during this Last Call and send your feedback to the standards(a)xmpp.org discussion list: 1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol stack or to clarify an existing protocol? 2. Does the specification solve the problem stated in the introduction and requirements? 3. Do you plan to implement this specification in your code? If not, why not? 4. Do you have any security concerns related to this specification? 5. Is the specification accurate and clearly written? Your feedback is appreciated!

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LAST CALL: XEP-0484 (Fast Authentication Streamlining Tokens)
by Daniel Gultsch 13 Dec '25

13 Dec '25

This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0484. Title: Fast Authentication Streamlining Tokens Abstract: This specification defines a token-based method to streamline authentication in XMPP, allowing fully authenticated stream establishment within a single round-trip. URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0484.html This Last Call begins today and shall end at the close of business on 2025-01-27. Please consider the following questions during this Last Call and send your feedback to the standards(a)xmpp.org discussion list: 1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol stack or to clarify an existing protocol? 2. Does the specification solve the problem stated in the introduction and requirements? 3. Do you plan to implement this specification in your code? If not, why not? 4. Do you have any security concerns related to this specification? 5. Is the specification accurate and clearly written? Your feedback is appreciated!

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LAST CALL: XEP-0440 (SASL Channel-Binding Type Capability)
by Daniel Gultsch 24 Oct '25

24 Oct '25

This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0440. Title: SASL Channel-Binding Type Capability Abstract: This specification allows servers to annouce their supported SASL channel-binding types to clients. URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0440.html This Last Call begins today and shall end at the close of business on 2024-05-20. Please consider the following questions during this Last Call and send your feedback to the standards(a)xmpp.org discussion list: 1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol stack or to clarify an existing protocol? 2. Does the specification solve the problem stated in the introduction and requirements? 3. Do you plan to implement this specification in your code? If not, why not? 4. Do you have any security concerns related to this specification? 5. Is the specification accurate and clearly written? Your feedback is appreciated!

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XEP-0001 Changes to reflect current practice wrt XEP Authors
by Dave Cridland 06 Aug '25

06 Aug '25

Hey hey, Boring incoming: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1407 This is draft to avoid the XSF Board accidentally approving it before the community has had a chance to discuss. The main change is the paragraph added in Section 6 (Discussion Process), covering changes to the XEP during Experimental: The XEP author incorporates the feedback by creating source control patches > (such as Pull Requests), in line with the preferred method in &xep0143;. > Direct changes to an Experimental XEP, such as a contributor providing a > patch (or Pull Request on GitHub), are still the responsibility of the XEP > author, and are only applied if the XEP author agrees. If a XEP has > multiple authors, while agreement is sought from all authors, only those > opinions from responsive authors are considered. If the Approving Body > feels that the XEP author is not responsive, another author may be added > unilaterally by the Approving Body. This is trying to do two things: 1) Document the existing practice that the XMPP Council has followed, whereby changes to Experimental XEPs need "agreement" (PR approval, or similar) from the XEP Author. 2) Document the existing practice that the XMPP Council has followed. whereby if a XEP Author isn't responsive (ie, doesn't respond to emails, etc) the XMPP Council can add a new XEP Author. 3) Document the *new practice* that if a contribution isn't a PR, it's the XEP Author who is responsible to turn it into one. The rest of the changes surface and restate existing process/policy/URLs and aren't that interesting (well, even less interesting). There is one additional possible process deviation we should document (or call the Process Police out, or something). Submission of a XEP, as per XEP-0143, occurs via email tot he Editor. Is this really still the case? Or are these now by PR? That'll need changing in XEP-0143, which I'm happy to do if that's the case. It'd be nice to have a non-PR variant of the process (post here?) Dave.

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Proposed XMPP Extension: PubSub Server Information
by kevin.smith＠isode.com 08 Jun '25

08 Jun '25

The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: PubSub Server Information Abstract: This document defines a data format whereby basic information of an XMPP domain can be expressed and exposed over pub-sub. URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-server-info.html The Council will decide in the next two weeks whether to accept this proposal as an official XEP.

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Threads and replies in XMPP
by Goffi 30 Apr '25

30 Apr '25

Hello, We've got a discussion about thread on xsf@ a couple of days ago, and I would like to bring it here. I initially thought that XEP-0461 (Message Replies) was redundant with threads, except in the case where there is no thread ID in the message a user wants to reply too. After discussion, notably with singpolyma and lovetox, it appears that we don't have the same view on this. The way I got it, we have basically 2 ways to see threads: 1. A series of replies to any message in a group chat, à la Slack (in Slack, you see the replies hidden under parent message, with something like "X replies", and when you click, a panel appear with the whole thread. 2. A side discussion explicitly started, that could be seen like a new chat window (UI example: user clicks a "start a new thread button", and start a blank window with it message, this message has a new thread ID, that will be used by people replying to it). In case 1, the parent message needs a thread ID so that thread can continue with the same ID. Problem is if parent message doesn't has a thread ID (because client doesn't support thread, or because there is no thread ID for each message), in this case a XEP-0461 "reply to" can be used, then the first reply has a new thread ID, and the thread can continue. In case 2, the explicitly started thread has a newly generated thread ID, so there is no problem. I want to support both 1 and 2. For 1, my initial reading of XEP-0201 (Best Practices for Message Threads) was that a new thread ID should be generated for each message: > Unless a <message/> stanza is written in direct reply to another <message/> > stanza, if a ThreadID is included then its value SHOULD be newly generated > when a human user initiates a chat conversation with another user (i.e., a > <message/> stanza of type 'chat'), starts a new conversation in the context > of a multi-user chat environment (i.e., a <message/> stanza of type > 'groupchat'), or sends a normal message. XEP-0201 §3.2. But after discussion, I realise that it's not requested to generate a new ID each time, and it seems that generating new thread ID for each message would be a problem for some clients (notably Cheogram which would create a thread UI for each ID). The solution would be to use "reply to" from XEP-0461, then a newly generated thread ID. I've also proposed an alternative when parent message ID could be used as thread ID, this may we can find parent message without relying on XEP-0461. For the moment, I think that I won't generate new thread ID for each message, and if I create a thread from a parent message I'll use a XEP-0461 "reply to" and generate a new thread ID, then use this thread ID for following message in this thread. However, I would like to have feedback from the wider community: - how to you handle or plan to handle threads? - Are you planning to implement case 1 (threads can be started from any message) and/or case 2 (threads are explicitly started)? - How would you handle case 1? Thanks! Best, Goffi

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A proposal to update XEP-0372: References
by Schimon Jehudah 30 Apr '25

30 Apr '25

Good day. Last week, I have contacted various of projects and asked to render messages with XMPP URI by their particular context. Please refer to the Gemini page or see the attached file for references. gemini://woodpeckersnest.space/~schapps/journal/2025-04-24-rendering-xmpp-uri-by-context.gmi After communicating this information to nephele, the developer of Renga chat client for Haiku, he has advised to standartize this approach by adding a new attribute to XEP-0372. Sun 27 Apr 2025 06:03:34 PM - nephele: > The XEP 0372 as it exists now seems to almost hit what you want, maybe > only another type is needed. for example <reference xmlns='urn:xmpp:reference:0' begin='72' end='78' type='adhoc' uri='xmpp:nephele@xmpp.org?command'/> Please advise. Kind regards, Schimon

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XEP-0424/0425/0461: Spec misses guidance which ID should be used in case of corrections
by Philipp Hörist 25 Apr '25

25 Apr '25

Hi, All these XEPs miss a paragraph how corrections should be handled correctly e.g. if the ID of the original message or of the correction should be used. This leads already to different implementations in popular clients, none of which can be considered wrong as the XEPs do not specify a correct handling. Regards Philipp

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URI Query Types for Ad-Hoc Commands and Data Forms
by Schimon Jehudah 24 Apr '25

24 Apr '25

Good day. I am the developer of Slixfeed news bot. Data Forms are extensively utilized by that bot. I think that it would be beneficial to define IRI/URI to acess to Ad-Hoc Commands and Data Forms. == Ad-Hoc Commands == This IRI/URI would open the form "manual". xmpp:slixfeed@xmpp.org?command=help This IRI/URI would open the form "about". xmpp:slixfeed@xmpp.org?command=about == Data Forms == Provided that a Data Form has an identifier, this IRI/URI would open the about dialog for the given query. This IRI/URI would open the form "about" (same as of the example of the Ad-Hoc Command, which can lead to the same form by explicitly define it). xmpp:slixfeed@xmpp.org?form=about-start This IRI/URI would open the form "about" in the next form to form about-start with the value "thanks". xmpp:slixfeed@xmpp.org?form=about-result?payload=thanks Please advise. Kind regards, Schimon

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A question concerning to XEP-0128: Service Discovery Extensions
by Schimon Jehudah 23 Apr '25

23 Apr '25

Greetings. Is it possible to restrict the set of reactions (XEP-0444) to messages which a *client* entity of type *bot* sends to private and public chat? Regards, Schimon

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